Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

Complete all the content in the game, with screenshots, then come back here, not before.

How many times are people going to repeat this tired argument? There's a difference between being a completionist and being someone who enjoys a challenge.

[Hawklaser]

I think your observation is fair. I don't understand elitist people using casual as an insult term either.

A lot of players, simply prefer less challenging, more time sink orientated gameplay and I think that's perfectly fine, especially given a lot of them only play "x" amount of hours a week.

But I personally consider myself a mixture of both a "raider who only like challenging endgame battle content" and a "completionist who enjoy PvE timesinks."

I'll usually unlock most/all side content, max all classes, make the most out of my dailies/weeklies.

I still enjoy it - but find myself quickly running out of reasons to do endgame battle content (given how little there is and how quickly you can achieve what you need with what we have).

The game certainly does a better job at sating the PvE timeskink rather than end game battle content.

I have always kinda found it an odd mix of both. The more time sink stuff for the shorter work days as it can usually be done in smaller time chunks without issue, and the bigger more challenging content on my days with more free time. As I expect to need more than a couple of hours for challenging content, either because its hard enough to take a few attempts to complete, or its just longer and takes a bit more time in general.

As to why I think we keep running into the lack of meaningful endgame content, it has to do with some of the discussion about dungeon design in that other thread I mentioned earlier. There is really no variation as we only got one tool to solve dungeons with, kill all the mobs. About the only new challenge in any content is new and unusual mechanics, and that lasts how long? After that its just a memory game and avoid the bad spots, unless they start doing unscripted bosses. Guess what that means for difficulty? It boils down to how consistently can you perform at a certain level. Maybe its not difficulty in the traditional Easy/Normal/Hard (aka Extreme, Savage, Ultimate) slider that we need more on the higher end, but the other Simple/Normal/Complex slider that some overlook that more is needed on the higher end, after all it is kinda rare for mechanics to get more involved than move to point A or B depending on a debuff.

[kidalutz]

And you don't think having a constant show on twitch with some interesting endgame activity to show could bring in more people to this game? Honestly, I think it could make this game more successful than it is. I don't know why casuals are so scared like using 5% more for raiding content is going to break their game.

See I'm not sure you aren't trolling and purposely being obtuse at this point. You see you keep ranting about being a raider even to the point that you keep acting as if you're speaking on all of their behalf. Well after a quick lookup I can say that you are most definitely not a raider you are simply someone who joins raids and may or may not even be part of a static but I sincerely doubt it. The reason I'm saying this is rather simple the difference between Raiders and People that Raid is Raiders will actually have their crafting and gathering jobs maxed alongside their chosen raiding job the reason for this is because raiders will spend the time gathering and crafting items that will specifically benefit them and their statics in the raid content that means, Potions, Food, etc.etc. and they do this on the weekly they don't just rely on 1 person in the static to provide all of that and they definitely don't get what they need off the market board, (Auction house, Galactic Trade Kiosk, Etc.) I may not have really raided last expansion (Hell just came back in April and goofed off before new expac) But I have raided in both WoW and SWToR and I do plan on Raiding here with the new expansion out. I'm patient enough to spend the weeks in between working on leveling my crafts and gathering so I have more to provide in addition to my playing my chosen jobs. if you cant find something to fill your time in between raid times then maybe you just arent planning on doing much more than joining raids.

[Gwenorai]

Eh, I wouldn't go off of the crafting/gathering thing alone. My best friend has cleared both ultimates multiple times and still hasn't levelled up her crafters/gatherers because she's lazy. However, she does have a multitude of gatherers/crafters (who also raid) who do this, and thus make her gear/pots/food - whilst bullying her for being slack. Anyway, just saying that there's always a black sheep who just doesn't wanaa. And then we laugh and cry when said sheeps gear has broken so you have to leave the instance...


If the said person sees this, stop slacking.

Can't wait to wake up before the patch hits and cry as I remember all the stuff I have to craft in prep for eden savage.

[HyoMinPark]

How many times are people going to repeat this tired argument? There's a difference between being a completionist and being someone who enjoys a challenge.

To be fair, people have been telling the OP to go do Ultimate, which is the ultimate challenge that this game can offer. And his argument varies between “It’s not level 80 and therefore doesn’t count as endgame content” to “It’s not worth it because the weapons are irrelevant and don’t give good stats”.

[Gwenorai]

To be fair, people have been telling the OP to go do Ultimate, which is the ultimate challenge that this game can offer. And his argument varies between “It’s not level 80 and therefore doesn’t count as endgame content” to “It’s not worth it because the weapons are irrelevant and don’t give good stats”.

Oh, then this guy is trolling or he doesn't know what he wants. Any raider worth their salt and wanting to get better at this game would at least want to give ultimate a shot. Or have it set as a goal on the road to 'improvement'.

[Avraym]

To be fair, people have been telling the OP to go do Ultimate, which is the ultimate challenge that this game can offer. And his argument varies between “It’s not level 80 and therefore doesn’t count as endgame content” to “It’s not worth it because the weapons are irrelevant and don’t give good stats”.

I've already explained why Ultimate isn't feasible for me, but heres the list:
- I'm an Australian. This means, our default ping on an English speaking server is 200+. At best, we are forced to play on a JP Server for approx 150ping-180ping. The content is already difficult, being handicapped doesn't help.
- Finding 7 other english speaking players willing to do such difficult content, in the same timezone as me as against the odds.
- Ultimate content is almost 2 years old, its not current content that many raiders are interested in.
- I unsubbed when these were released. As a returning player for ShB, I'm more interested in doing current content, not content 2 years old.
- Synced content that doesn't allow me the full access of my classes play-ability is also a deterrent.
- The rewards are purely of aesthetic/bragging value. I do understand that it's mostly about the "bragging rights" but, I'd rather set my efforts towards Eden Savage.

End game isn't entirely Ultimate, and not all people who enjoy challenging content exclusively enjoy Ultimate. EX Trials / Savage still provides challenging content, with meaningful rewards. That's more of the end game I'm interested in.

Will I attempt this time to do Ultimate content if it was released by 5.11 and I'm still subbed? Absolutely.

[Kaylessa]

Complete all the content in the game, with screenshots, then come back here, not before.

Probably the silliest response in this thread so far

[MonteCristo]

Probably the silliest response in this thread so far

Right....didnt even bother responding to this one

[HyoMinPark]

I've already explained why Ultimate isn't feasible for me, but heres the list:
- I'm an Australian. This means, our default ping on an English speaking server is 200+. At best, we are forced to play on a JP Server for approx 150ping-180ping. The content is already difficult, being handicapped doesn't help.

Get a VPN if you’re concerned about your ping. That said, I’m sure other Australian and Oceanic players did Ultimate just fine.

- Finding 7 other english speaking players willing to do such difficult content, in the same timezone as me as against the odds.

You’re on Tonberry, which is the OCE server. I doubt it’s that hard, especially since I’ve seen advertisements posted on here and reddit for English speaking statics on your Data Center.

- Ultimate content is almost 2 years old, its not current content that many raiders are interested in.

I’ve already debunked this several times. There is plenty of interest in Ultimate. You’re just refusing to see it because it contradicts this argument. The Discord I’m in literally had someone posting an advertisement for UCoB set to start 2 weeks after Eden Savage drops. Another posted an advertisement looking for a weekend Ultimate static. Before Shadowbringers dropped, when people were posting recruitment ads in the Aether Savage discords I’m in, many of them expressed a desire to recruit members to go back and clear past Ultimates and future ones. Same for the looking for static players—they wanted a group interested in doing the old fights as well as the new ones when they release. If people weren’t interested, they wouldn’t be advertising for it.

- I unsubbed when these were released. As a returning player for ShB, I'm more interested in doing current content, not content 2 years old.

Ultimate is always current and always relevant because of its sync. UCoB will be 2 years old this fall and there are still people clearing it to this day. UwU will be 2 years old in June 2020, and there are people still clearing it to this day.

- Synced content that doesn't allow me the full access of my classes play-ability is also a deterrent.

Hardly a deterrent. Jobs did not change drastically enough from level 70 to level 80 to affect Ultimate clear rates. It’s not like we’re looking at jobs at level 50, where some have a handful of skills and other don’t even have a full rotation. The developers did a really good job of keeping jobs at 70 more playable and more like their level 80 evolvements than any other prior level cap. Missing 1 or 2 skills won’t be a game breaker or make it unclearable.

- The rewards are purely of aesthetic/bragging value. I do understand that it's mostly about the "bragging rights" but, I'd rather set my efforts towards Eden Savage.

That’s fine, but the new tier won’t have nearly as much longevity as Ultimate does. Your entire thread was made as a complaint about having nothing to do, and this is something to do that is challenging, end-game content (end-game does not automatically mean level 80 only—this content stomps all over any level 80 content that will be released this expansion with the sole exception of the new Ultimates that will release). You’re just being stubborn about doing it at this point because it’s not level 80 content.

End game isn't entirely Ultimate, and not all people who enjoy challenging content exclusively enjoy Ultimate. EX Trials / Savage still provides challenging content, with meaningful rewards. That's more of the end game I'm interested in.

Implying that an Ultimate achievement in and of itself isn’t meaningful? A lot of raiders that seek a challenge go after Ultimate because it is the ultimate test of skill as a raider. As for EX trials, those haven’t been challenging since Sephirot EX; and Savage has been watered down since Midas. Which, as I already explained, was why Ultimate was made. But, like I said, you’re just being stubborn at this point.