Customizable pronouns

[Kathyz]

I mean i want to understand you but when you say something in a game its a real treat for you i just cant.

Im sorry.

[Iscah]

I need a citation for them programming in gender as a binary flag in this game because honestly, that's a ridiculous and resource-intensive way to go about it vs just defining a variable and calling that.

Obviously at this point it being an integer could help with the request (gender = 5) [...]

Gender is a binary flag because "binary" is how a computer thinks. It's the simplest piece of data they can store. One or zero; on or off. There's no "halfway".

there's also no "need" for it in the programming. It needs to know whether to display a male or female character model, and whether to apply "he" or "she" in the text. There aren't any other options programmed into the game that they need to reflect.

Ah, French localization. They gender everything. Indeed, it would be a localization challenge and for that, they could keep the same overly complicated gender deal going. Given that it's in French, I'm not going to take that as definitive evidence they program it this way globally. If they do, lol.

I assume the French programming needs to consult both the gender and race of the character to select the correct text string. It's not "an extra complicated pronoun tag". It's a line of script applied in that instant, not something that needs to be stored for the character.

. Serious question. How many people in this thread, not virtue signaling, would actually mess around with the pronoun thing longer than they did picking their "birthday" in this game? And not cause it'd be funny have everyone call you "zer". Seriously it would make this game better for you, that kind of "use".

That's not a great analogy. If it was an option it would be a lot more visible than the character's birthday - you set it at the beginning and probably don't adjust it later, yes, but it would affect every single time your character is addressed by gender.

It's on par with selecting your character's race and gender, and other highly visible options that you can't change (Fantasia aside) once you've set them.

Thank you my potatoe shaped friend lol. I have aultism myself and I myself deal with the issue's. I'm not normal, I have a illness. I just don't care! If people accept me fine, if not idc. I'm not gonna demand SE let me make my wol autistic as a result. Be happy with who you are, but don't expect the entire world to conform to your needs I say.

An autistic WoL wouldn't work anyway - they need the natural social skills that we struggle with.

I remain convinced we have a probable representative in the main Scions though... and no I'm not calling him mentally ill.

[Shougun]

Gender is a binary flag because "binary" is how a computer thinks. It's the simplest piece of data they can store. One or zero; on or off. There's no "halfway".

there's also no "need" for it in the programming. It needs to know whether to display a male or female character model, and whether to apply "he" or "she" in the text. There aren't any other options programmed into the game that they need to reflect.

Not sure why I was included in it since we're basically agreeing (if you include my other posts) . I was saying it would be more convenient for OP if the tracking of gender was set up to track multiple cases already, but that it's probably not. Which is why I was asking them why they think a boolean (a true/false/1/0) would be inefficient.

Did I miss something? I feel tagged but I don't know how to tag back . . .

Uhm..

Boop! lol

[Gula]

Haha what? Not necessary.

[Kaethra]

Just nitpicking here but, Feo Ul did refer to herself as a she in the English version, so some pixies might use gendered pronouns

I thought the premise behind this thread was a bit odd because I thought I remembered Feo Ul being female in the questline. Thanks for confirming that. Looks like the only 'nonbinary' pronoun used then was the fact she was referred to as King of the Pixies. Where King is a title earned, not born into in this case.

So if culture comes before emotional feelings. I'm good with that.

[DiscoDuck]

How many pages till this gets nuked?

[Krotoan]

That's not a great analogy. If it was an option it would be a lot more visible than the character's birthday - you set it at the beginning and probably don't adjust it later, yes, but it would affect every single time your character is addressed by gender.

It's on par with selecting your character's race and gender, and other highly visible options that you can't change (Fantasia aside) once you've set them.

Not what I asked, not the point. It's not an analogy, it's a comparison on how much time people actually spent on that part of character creation. The point of that sentence is to imply that most people won't spend more than a few seconds on that choice.

[CorbinDallas]

I now have an image of a WoL going full on rage mode with the "Did you just assume my gender?!" thing when NPCs incorrectly refer to them as he/she.

[TaleraRistain]

I think it's something they can keep in mind for any future MMOs, but I don't know that it would be feasible here. The game currently has triggers for male/female in the code and there are dialogue differences based on that. Even if you could manage to implement logic that used a third or even fourth trigger, you have translations to consider that would also have to be modified to use the same triggers. And considering how certain words or phrases in one language may be different or non-existent in others, that may not be the easiest thing to correlate. I work as a software engineer and we have a customer-facing product in multiple languages and translations can be the bane of our lives sometimes.

[Granyala]

Gender is a binary flag because "binary" is how a computer thinks. It's the simplest piece of data they can store. One or zero; on or off. There's no "halfway".

First of all: it would be called a "boolean" variable, not a binary one. Boolean differentiates between two states: true and false.

Second: I doubt that they use boolean for gender as that would make for pretty awkward coding. I'm sure it is a completely normal variable that points to a value in your character data and that information is then used to pick the right dialogue via if/else.

Adding in more states than two would not only require the rewrite of the character data, because right now with only 2 sexes 1 bit is enough to store the information, if you want a 3rd option you't have to beef it up to 2 bits. Also it would require another loop in the if/else decision making code.

It is pretty trivial to implement once you have the template because you can use (or point to) the same tiny code segment every time.