WOW! Super kicks!!! :D

[knite23]

don't play pug much but all of your arguments seem very interesting i had a few ideas i just wanted to throw out here in the forum to see what you all hard core pugs thought about it: the stance that add kicks to attacks what if it gave a longer range for your attacks and the other thing is standard weapon skill combosl.....do the combo get the combo bonus bla bla bla i think it would be pretty nice to add a stance combos along with the standard ability combos for example Pummel(FE)> CB(FW)> simian thrust(FF) in additional to the increased damage you will recieve what if because you used certain stance with the combo you could get an addition buff or modifier (haste, fire dot, increase defense etc.)

[Meleena]

Have you guys seen the new Monk attack? HOLY SHIT!!!
I will be a proud MONK again!

[Razor]

I'm sorry if this has also been addressed somewhere in this thread (I know the first line has been). Comments like these just drive me insane. Read the patch notes people!

Its easy to see what is going wrong here, Melees have to manage their TP, Mages need to manage their MP, Pugilist and Monks MUST manage both.
On top of that Monks will be the only classes that will not be able to focus on something stat wise because all stats will take an effect on us.

THATS why MP makes no sence, are we allowed to complain now?

You clearly didn't read the patch notes. Allow me to help you.

Intelligence
* Attack Magic Potency
* Damage dealt by pugilist arms

Class ........ Bonus 1 ....... Bonus 2
Pugilist ..... Intelligence .. Strength

Why do I still see people trying to stack STR (and sometimes even whining about which stat they need)?

/rantover. Please continue with your thread, Thank you.

[knite23]

....first off str is easier to stack then int secondly if a mob has resistance to fire the buff becomes useless....if i were you Razor i wouldn't rant anymore unless you know a little more about the class besides what SE post on the patch notes. it just makes you look dumb in the long run meleena's point is already not valid through common sense but when you quote on it with a rant that doesn't even make your point evident it defeats the purpose

[yukikaze_yanagi]

just so you know, int affect your regular auto-attack too, not just elemental fists. Not sure about ws, anyhow i'd say to put int everywhere you can. If not int avaiable, put str or attack

[Meleena]

Razor (and Knite) my point was valid, but you clearly didn't read any of the other posts explaining WHY I said such a thing.

When I am talking about stats I am not only refering to damage dealing, do not hastily come to the conclusion that I haven't read the patch notes.
The notes state that I need Inteligence and Strength to up my damage, but since Pugilist and Monk need MP to keep their stances UP for longer times, I suddenly end up needing to raise my PIETY as well.
Dexterity and Vitality do not raise raw damage, but they raise critical%, HP and physical defence.
Mages don't need to rely on these, but Pugilists are Melee classes and need to raise both of these stats.

Also at the time of my previous post, it wasn't clear if our Fists of Earth or Fists of Fire were Magical or Physical attacks so we didn't know if Pugilists needed both Magical Accuracy (raise Mind stat) and Physical accuracy as well as both Magical Critical and Physical Critical to up their damage.

Please know the situation before start randomly judgeing people and ranting, thank you.

[NoctisUmbra]

....first off str is easier to stack then int secondly if a mob has resistance to fire the buff becomes useless....if i were you Razor i wouldn't rant anymore unless you know a little more about the class besides what SE post on the patch notes. it just makes you look dumb in the long run meleena's point is already not valid through common sense but when you quote on it with a rant that doesn't even make your point evident it defeats the purpose

Actually INT provides a direct increase to the DPS of PGL regardless of stance. AA damage is increased as is weaponskill damage. Furthermore, the Damage bonus on Blindside is further increased based on your INT value. It's quite easy to stack both via materia, as their slots are different. As for rings I personally go with INT.

Razor (and Knite) my point was valid, but you clearly didn't read any of the other posts explaining WHY I said such a thing.

When I am talking about stats I am not only refering to damage dealing, do not hastily come to the conclusion that I haven't read the patch notes.
The notes state that I need Inteligence and Strength to up my damage, but since Pugilist and Monk need MP to keep their stances UP for longer times, I suddenly end up needing to raise my PIETY as well.
Dexterity and Vitality do not raise raw damage, but they raise critical%, HP and physical defence.
Mages don't need to rely on these, but Pugilists are Melee classes and need to raise both of these stats.

Also at the time of my previous post, it wasn't clear if our Fists of Earth or Fists of Fire were Magical or Physical attacks so we didn't know if Pugilists needed both Magical Accuracy (raise Mind stat) and Physical accuracy as well as both Magical Critical and Physical Critical to up their damage.

Please know the situation before start randomly judgeing people and ranting, thank you.

Yup at the time of the discussion before we went over the details your points were well warranted. It's important that I point out though that DEX does not effect critical rate, potency or physical evasion at all. Those are myths. Those stats are handled entirely through gear, traits and ability bonuses.

[Meleena]

So Dexterity is accuracy only?
Might as well rename it to ACC lol :P

[NoctisUmbra]

So Dexterity is accuracy only?
Might as well rename it to ACC lol :P

As well as Block rate and Parry. Also of course attack bonus for ARCs.

[Meleena]

Yeah I was talking about Pugs onry.