Why are white mages allergic to regen?

[Ayrie]

If I am Glare spamming as opposed to Raising you - it is usually because Swiftcast is on cooldown and at that point - the short casting Glare is actually better for overall group DPS than trying to slow cast a Raise only to have to move because RNGesus is throwing pie plates at me to dodge.

If you're in the dirt for extended time - was there multiple people in the dirt? Healer may have prioritized other party members for their Swiftcast + Raise, thus making you "feel" ignored.

Generally, the only time I let someone rot in the dirt is because I'm tired of raising them and rotting is actually better for the group continuity (or it is simply faster to return to the start and shortcut back to the group).

Also: who said healing is only about oGCD healing while casting spells?! Who said that?! HOW WILL I FEED MY BLOOD LILIES! That's about the only on-GCD curing that I use now... splashed in with Regens during times I have to move.

[AuraAstra]

But in this particular example except the tanks, the party literally can't die lol. It's not "I don't trust the DPS to do the next mechanic right and not kill themselves", they can't die even if they try unless there is a /suicide lol.

I have found that even when you think there is no possible way for people to die, they will find a way to take damage and die. It's less "I don't trust everyone else to do the next mechanic right and not kill themselves" as it is "I don't trust everyone else to not die, even if it doesn't seem like it should be possible for that to happen".

Death always finds a way. But I admire your optimism in believing that other people are always competent.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

This thread is a perfect example of my I've put this macro on all my tank classes.

I was a tank main for years and never had issues keeping hate due to regen. Get better and stop being lazy.

[AnimaAnimus]

If I am Glare spamming as opposed to Raising you - it is usually because Swiftcast is on cooldown and at that point - the short casting Glare is actually better for overall group DPS than trying to slow cast a Raise only to have to move because RNGesus is throwing pie plates at me to dodge.

If you're in the dirt for extended time - was there multiple people in the dirt? Healer may have prioritized other party members for their Swiftcast + Raise, thus making you "feel" ignored.

Generally, the only time I let someone rot in the dirt is because I'm tired of raising them and rotting is actually better for the group continuity (or it is simply faster to return to the start and shortcut back to the group).

Also: who said healing is only about oGCD healing while casting spells?! Who said that?! HOW WILL I FEED MY BLOOD LILIES! That's about the only on-GCD curing that I use now... splashed in with Regens during times I have to move.

Nope I was the only one down. And I am also a rdm, I could actually help with raises if everyone goes face down. It's just a glaring case of tunnel vision,

also in Eden there is no return+shortcut

[Rilifane]

Wait a minute, so letting me lay dead on the floor for a full 1/3 of the battle because they can't stop spamming glare isn't a problem because it would be unnecessary to raise me and having the whm just dps instead is ok?

Now for context, this was on our 3rd attempt after 2 wipes and the other 2 I died in the wipe, not beforehand. This was literally my first screw up, its not like I was constantly dying left and right to sheer idiocy and they were wasting mp keeping me up. Nope this is just bad/lazy heals.

Okay, yes you had one bad experience with a healer who'd rather Glare his enemies to death than raise you.
Bad luck, happens, move on. No need to make a huge issue out of this as if every healer does this. If you died indeed for the lack of healing AND he had left you lying on the ground for 1/3 of the fight, he was bad and that's it.

But usually when a dps drops and isn't immediately ressed, there's a good reason for it:
1. Swiftcast on CD but will come off CD soon (as in next ~10sec). Hardcasting Raise is a royal pain the butt.
2. Huge-ass aoe coming right up, chances are too high he immediately tanks the floor again
3. The dps is such a scrub that raising him is neither worth the time nor MP because he'll die again pretty soon
4. MP are supertight for whatever reason and LD/ TA etc is on CD. Better play safe and get back into healthier MP numbers until you use 1/4 of your MP.
5. The player is laying on the other end of the world and it will take some time until a healer reached him without eating a mechanic
6. He fell of a plattform. Don't fall of platforms.

a glaring case of tunnel vision,

No pun intended, right?

[Averax]

why use Regen or Cure2 when you have much better options to use and noone needs a regen?
Healing in Eden NM, EX Trials is possible with only use the oGCDs of the Healers

Maybe you should learn more about the game

That's actually kind of terrible considering they've done a lot to make sure every healer was given more tools to heal with this expansion. It also tells me the game needs more tickle damage. Didn't sign up to heal so i could spend all day spamming broil/glare/malefic

[Fynlar]

If the fights are done properly, all of current Eden and the 2 Ex Trials can be solo healed with plenty of opportunity to dps.

And how often does that actually happen in DF? Every time I've run Eden so far as healer, especially e4, I've been having to throw tons of raises and would be *sunk* without a cohealer that actually pulls his weight and doesn't just DPS constantly.

People need to realize that just because dedicated raid groups might play a fight over and over to the point they've mastered it and can avoid taking all avoidable damage and can therefore plan their healing specifically around the unavoidable damage, that's an unrealistic ideal to hold randoms to. Temper your expectations, to put it simply.

Something has to give considering that Ex is supposed to be "extreme." Also dungeons considered "expert" for the purpose of expert roulette. Both of those labels have a connotation and denotation of a harder challenge.

Those labels haven't really meant anything concrete; they're just naming schemes. All "expert" means is "currently highest ilvl required dungeons", for instance. It doesn't necessarily say anything about their relative level of difficulty.

[Raven2014]

I have found that even when you think there is no possible way for people to die, they will find a way to take damage and die. It's less "I don't trust everyone else to do the next mechanic right and not kill themselves" as it is "I don't trust everyone else to not die, even if it doesn't seem like it should be possible for that to happen".

Death always finds a way. But I admire your optimism in believing that other people are always competent.

It has nothing to do with me being optimistic lol. They can not die during this phase period, there is not even a platform to jump off. They can literally stand up and AFK and nothing will hit them.

[Typhoria]

And how often does that actually happen in DF? Every time I've run Eden so far as healer, especially e4, I've been having to throw tons of raises and would be *sunk* without a cohealer that actually pulls his weight and doesn't just DPS constantly.

People need to realize that just because dedicated raid groups might play a fight over and over to the point they've mastered it and can avoid taking all avoidable damage and can therefore plan their healing specifically around the unavoidable damage, that's an unrealistic ideal to hold randoms to. Temper your expectations, to put it simply.

I never said a second healer wasn't convenient, especially when people are inexperienced. But when it *can* be solo healed with minimal GCD healing, it's a problem. Most of the initial Eden Titan deaths aren't even from damage. Once several people die, everyone has to play catch up, and a poorly timed rez acception can be lethal due to additional knockoffs or AoE damage before they can be healed up.

If a tank and healer are alive, the fight can be 2 manned, it would just take a long time. If Titan had an enrage timer, I imagine that the clear rate would be awful and there would be abandons after 1 or 2 wipes. This probably shouldn't happen for DF, but it's a problem when the biggest struggle for a healer is rezzing people.

[van_arn]

I never said a second healer wasn't convenient, especially when people are inexperienced. But when it *can* be solo healed with minimal GCD healing, it's a problem. Most of the initial Eden Titan deaths aren't even from damage. Once several people die, everyone has to play catch up, and a poorly timed rez acception can be lethal due to additional knockoffs or AoE damage before they can be healed up.

If a tank and healer are alive, the fight can be 2 manned, it would just take a long time. If Titan had an enrage timer, I imagine that the clear rate would be awful and there would be abandons after 1 or 2 wipes. This probably shouldn't happen for DF, but it's a problem when the biggest struggle for a healer is rezzing people.

Considering how annoying it is to go through a 25 minute titan with multiple healer lb3s they really should put an engage on him. If it takes more than one you earned a wipe rather than a clear anyway.