Almost every complaint about the ShB job changes could be solved with talents

[Xia_Thas]

As for my points, I already stated numerous times:
Talents bring more diversity(statistically true)
Gives more choices( also true even if the number of choices are not high due to optimization)
Is more fun( personal preference)

Diversity in WoW as a primary example is NEEDED because you only pick ONE class. FFXIV you can switch on the fly, so your per character diversity blows WoW's out the water. SE wants every class to play certain ways that's why we have the Job System vs a Talent System. That's the bottom line.

More Choices for game play are fine and dandy but at the end of the day there will always be choices that might as well not even exist. Similar to when they remove skills the game, Why make the devs waste their time adding something barely anyone will use? So you can look at all your buttons and think, "Man I have so many options awesome."

You are allowed the think WoW's Talent system is fun just as I think it is bad. You want to defend it's implementation but don't consider that the Dev team at SE have their core gameplay systems set as is.

[Xyr]

Diversity in WoW as a primary example is NEEDED because you only pick ONE class. FFXIV you can switch on the fly, so your per character diversity blows WoW's out the water. SE wants every class to play certain ways that's why we have the Job System vs a Talent System. That's the bottom line.

More Choices for game play are fine and dandy but at the end of the day there will always be choices that might as well not even exist. Similar to when they remove skills the game, Why make the devs waste their time adding something barely anyone will use? So you can look at all your buttons and think, "Man I have so many options awesome."

You are allowed the think WoW's Talent system is fun just as I think it is bad. You want to defend it's implementation but don't consider that the Dev team at SE have their core gameplay systems set as is.

Except you have to re-level and gear every job you play, which makes it no different than any other game where you just level a different character and gear it.

[Xia_Thas]

Except you have to re-level and gear every job you play, which makes it no different than any other game where you just level a different character and gear it.

Except you get gear along the way for more than just your main class (SHB MSQ excluded which got rid of that) you also don't need armor until lv70 now anyways because you can run PoTD and HoH and level those up fast. Then when your class is 70 you can just buy base gear from a vendor and be perfectly fine. It's practically given to you now a days.

Again The point is SE went with a Job System vs a Talent System. There's not point debating the implementation of something that won't happen. And if it did out of no where then boy oh boy can't wait to see the forums going crazy with a wild new class system added 10+years into a game's life-cycle.

[Xyr]

Except you get gear along the way for more than just your main class (SHB MSQ excluded which got rid of that) you also don't need armor until lv70 now anyways because you can run PoTD and HoH and level those up fast. Then when your class is 70 you can just buy base gear from a vendor and be perfectly fine. It's practically given to you now a days.

Again The point is SE went with a Job System vs a Talent System. There's not point debating the implementation of something that won't happen. And if it did out of no where then boy oh boy can't wait to see the forums going crazy with a wild new class system added 10+years into a game's life-cycle.

Again, that happens in every other game, in fact, in most other games it's even easier. You got int gear? Works on all int classes. You get dex gear? Work on all dex classes. You get str gear? Work all str classes. FFXIV is not any simpler or more efficient.

[Xia_Thas]

Again, that happens in every other game, in fact, in most other games it's even easier. You got int gear? Works on all int classes. You get dex gear? Work on all dex classes. You get str gear? Work all str classes. FFXIV is not any simpler or more efficient.

You know we are getting off topic so I’ll just give it to you. Lali-ho!