Almost every complaint about the ShB job changes could be solved with talents

[Xia_Thas]

Considering how bad of a spot WoW is in lately I'd say anything from it should be lessons other developers learn from vs blindly implementing into their game that's not been balanced for it for nearly a decade. There's a reason we even have the WoW Refugee memes, the game is going downhill so maybe keep it's garbage out of FFXIV?

[Xiaoki]

Considering how bad of a spot WoW is in lately I'd say anything from it should be lessons other developers learn from vs blindly implementing into their game that's not been balanced for it for nearly a decade. There's a reason we even have the WoW Refugee memes, the game is going downhill so maybe keep it's garbage out of FFXIV?

FF14 just implemented spells with multiple charges. That is also a system that WoW has always had. I guess that means FF14s "Charged Action System" is bad because it is garbage from WoW right?

Now that you think about it WoW also had a global cooldown, hotbars for spells, dungeons and raids, and characters in a persistent world before FF14 so get rid of all that as well because its just WoW garbage.

[TankHunter678]

FF14 just implemented spells with multiple charges. That is also a system that WoW has always had. I guess that means FF14s "Charged Action System" is bad because it is garbage from WoW right?

Now that you think about it WoW also had a global cooldown, hotbars for spells, dungeons and raids, and characters in a persistent world before FF14 so get rid of all that as well because its just WoW garbage.

Multiple charges has also been a thing in a large number of RPGs, it is not exclusively a WoW thing, in fact it predates WoW as it is as old as DnD. Same thing with global cooldown which has been in final fantasy games for far longer then WoW has existed, same thing with dungeons, raids also pre-date WoW because WoW took a bunch of things from different MMOs at the time and just mashed them into one MMO. Persistent world is as old as RPGs are.

[Jonnycbad]

Multiple charges has also been a thing in a large number of RPGs, it is not exclusively a WoW thing, in fact it predates WoW as it is as old as DnD. Same thing with global cooldown which has been in final fantasy games for far longer then WoW has existed, same thing with dungeons, raids also pre-date WoW because WoW took a bunch of things from different MMOs at the time and just mashed them into one MMO. Persistent world is as old as RPGs are.

Multiple charged actions indeed dates back to D&D where there was no "MP" and spells could only be used X number of times per day. But more relevant is that jobs in FFXI also had charged actions. For example, Scholar in FFXI passively gained stacks of "Strategems", which for the sake of this discussion were similar to Aetherflow stacks. You did not need to use a skill to acquire the Strategem stacks, it was just a timer that was always counting down to your next refresh (I think it started at 2 min/charge; 1 max charge at level 10, to being 42s/charge; 5 max charges at 99). This resource was used to activate any of the dozen or so skills the Scholar had that modified their next spell (made it deal more damage, turn it into an AoE, increase its duration, halve its cast time)

[ColaSama]

FF14 just implemented spells with multiple charges. That is also a system that WoW has always had. I guess that means FF14s "Charged Action System" is bad because it is garbage from WoW right?

Now that you think about it WoW also had a global cooldown, hotbars for spells, dungeons and raids, and characters in a persistent world before FF14 so get rid of all that as well because its just WoW garbage.

Please, let the grown ups talk sweetie. He was talking about the garbage that is talent tree balance and, as a whole, class balance, so get out with your pointless arguments.

You sounded like this : "You argument is sooo silly I mean FF14 has a human race -_- -_- just like WoW -_- -_- so put that garbage out ??". I mean, come on man, dungeons and raids ? Really ?

Listen : some of us played WoW since the start. And everyone since that day complained about class balance and "illusion of choice" talent trees, with OP talents ruining the balance for a whole raid tier (SURRENDER TO MADNESS AM I RIGHT). It's still the same garbage balance nowaday (F for RShaman).