Abuse of the TOS. Loophole regarding griefing/trolling. Needs a solution.

[SturmChurro]

Maybe some of us had stalkers ingame already or know about such cases and thus dont find it funny? Knowing how it can take away the fun out of the game and you cant do much because blacklisting them wont stop them from finding you..wont stop them from talking bad about you behind your back and tearing groups apart thanks to that..

Cyberstalking is a new term! It does exits. And I find it sad to read from police officers that they would laugh at such claims just because they had silly cases before..there had already been one huge case in FF14 about one player that forced himself on other women and blackmailed them. He even used that in real life against them too.. so please take such a thing more serious. It might be nothing but "fun" for some but others can turn very serious..and in this day and age its not that hard to find out who is playing behind that character and suddenly it turns real and suddenly some of those laughings police officer will have a real case on their hand which they could have stopped if they had taken it more serious.

In the end it would be nice to have more ways to deal with it..

What do you mean "force" himself? Like emoting? "Stalking"? You guys have actually got to be joking. I am actually laughing so hard right now that I can't breathe. I mean if you guys are trolling or something, it's pretty good, but comon now. This is absolutely ridiculous. You realize this is a video game right?

What kind of RP are you guys actually getting into that this is even a thing?

How do you even blackmail someone for emoting in a game? This makes actually no sense at all. Did he crouch on top of someone's character and take screenshots, and threaten to send it to their online boyfriend?

[Nims]

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If they're talking about the Oldbear "incident" the guy dated/"talked to" these women and the women did lewd stuff on Skype. A break up happened or he "cheated" and then revenge happened. The women tried to make it like he forced them to do stuff on skype because they forgot how to either block and or turn their computers off.

It's crazy out here how people refuse to take responsibility and just turn the pc off.

[Diggles]

It's crazy out here how people refuse to take responsibility and just turn the pc off.

We live in a world where every one wants to be a victim. There is no personal accountability anymore and you get accosted as being a troll or a bigot if you claim otherwise. Multiple people in this thread have demonstrated that. A certain male Roegadyn up above has already resorted to childish insults. This same person also made a thread a few days ago complaining about his blacklist being full (no doubt looking for attention) and has demonstrated behavior that indicates that he is most likely "on the spectrum" - hell, a lot of people on these forums are either looking for attention, "on the spectrum", or completely devoid of common sense required to function without a society that coddles them and their false worldview. These people live in their game worlds and have no understanding of how the real world works and what real problems look like.

[Alleo]

What do you mean "force" himself? Like emoting? "Stalking"? You guys have actually got to be joking. I am actually laughing so hard right now that I can't breathe. I mean if you guys are trolling or something, it's pretty good, but comon now. This is absolutely ridiculous. You realize this is a video game right?

What kind of RP are you guys actually getting into that this is even a thing?

I dont RP but great to have a discussion while using gifs, surely makes a point.

There is something called Cyberbullying or even Cyberstalking but of course its funny right? (And no the case was not about emotes..)

Its funny when you have someone in your FC that you first trust and that turns out to be the worst. Talking bad about you or others, trying to create constant drama in FC chat. Following us when he was kicked out. Trying to split our group with lies. (Thankfully we came prepared) Stalking you over the maps to emote to you, going into your houses to stand next to you and more. He managed to make one person stop playing the game, made one person change server because of his acts and created drama in countless of FCs. And then when it was not enough to do it on his main character, he created alts and tried the same again. It was quite nice to be informed that he had changed DC even though it would have just been better if he was perma banned..and then at the end of stormblood you suddenly get a whisper from a new character that ask you if you know who he is...and then finding out that its him again..thankfully him being that "nice" to tell that information was enough to at least kick him out of the FC which he was once already kicked from.

Stalking was one part of his actions. So please dont tell others that this is just an online game and thus nothing bad could happen..people can do a lot especially in the safety of hiding behind fake names. And not everyone has the nerves of pure steel to handle such a person. Predators exits everywhere and the OP has mentioned that this group has followed them more than once. This was not a joke..these are people that are doing this on purpose.

All of this could be changed for the better if blacklist would function differently:

- Blacklisting one character should automatically blacklist the whole account: I have a reason to blacklist the person so I dont want to deal with alts.
- It should not be possible at all to land in parties with blacklisted people. Those should also not be able to get into a group that has a person in it that blacklisted you.
- Blacklists should make it impossible to track someone ingame, be it through search or by showing the name.
- Be able to turn your house permission to: everyone but those on blacklist

And with a perfect system it would be nice to be invisible to that person and also dont see them in return. Thus no matter how much they travel and try to find one you cant be seen by them.

[RoyalBeef]

Its funny when you have someone in your FC that you first trust and that turns out to be the worst. Talking bad about you or others, trying to create constant drama in FC chat. Following us when he was kicked out. Trying to split our group with lies. (Thankfully we came prepared) Stalking you over the maps to emote to you, going into your houses to stand next to you and more. He managed to make one person stop playing the game, made one person change server because of his acts and created drama in countless of FCs.

How tho? I mean, I have people I get along with in game, but frankly I couldnt care less what somewhat says or thinks about me. This is some serious soap opera shit. I'm not there to make friends for life, I have those outside of the game. If everyone on my friendslist decided to ignore me it'd be fine, I'll find other folks to play with.

Making yourself vulnerable for random bs of strangers on the web is a stupid thing to do. it's the internet. Don't get invested in people too much, don't trust people too much, don#t let people too close and don't disclose any personal information. Pretty simple.

[Mahoukenshi]

How tho? I mean, I have people I get along with in game, but frankly I couldnt care less what somewhat says or thinks about me. This is some serious soap opera shit. I'm not there to make friends for life, I have those outside of the game. If everyone on my friendslist decided to ignore me it'd be fine, I'll find other folks to play with.

Newsflash: You are you and others are others. Just because you are "not there to make friends for life" and don't give kitten doesn't mean that it's an universal truth and applies to everyone. Everyone is different, reacts differently and values different aspects. "Don't do this and that" sounds nice and all, but when it comes to emotions and social aspects, such advices are sometimes easier said than done.

[RoyalBeef]

Newsflash: You are you and others are others. Just because you are "not there to make friends for life" and don't give kitten doesn't mean that it's an universal truth and applies to everyone. Everyone is different, reacts differently and values different aspects. "Don't do this and that" sounds nice and all, but when it comes to emotions and social aspects, such advices are sometimes easier said than done.

Just bc I lock my front door when I leave my house doesn't mean everyone does it. Doesn't mean that they shouldn't tho ^^ If an MMO can affect you in such ways it's probably time to seek counseling instead of putting all your energy into keeping your bubble intact imo.

[Kaethra]

Just bc I lock my front door when I leave my house doesn't mean everyone does it. Doesn't mean that they shouldn't tho ^^ If an MMO can affect you in such ways it's probably time to seek counseling instead of putting all your energy into keeping your bubble intact imo.

Maybe people ought to stop being sick creepers. Stop acting out their molestatious urges in game and seek help themselves. Cause if they're willing to do that to a complete stranger, who knows what they're going to do to an innocent person close to them.

And if you're one of those people. Seriously get help. Because you don't want someone like me on your jury when you get caught hurting someone in real life.

[RoyalBeef]

Maybe people ought to stop being sick creepers. Stop acting out their molestatious urges in game and seek help themselves. Cause if they're willing to do that to a complete stranger, who knows what they're going to do to an innocent person close to them.

And if you're one of those people. Seriously get help. Because you don't want someone like me on your jury when you get caught hurting someone in real life.

You know there will always be people like that. Just as there will always be murderers.You can teach people it's wrong, you can punish them for doing it, but there will always people doing it no matter what. Should they stop? Sure, it would make the world a much better place. Will they stop? Nope. So the only factor you can influence in that equation is doing everything you can to prevent it happening to you. You can rant all day about how people should stop breaking into houses which will change nothing , or you can just lock your door and put your energy into something else

[Alleo]

How tho? I mean, I have people I get along with in game, but frankly I couldnt care less what somewhat says or thinks about me. This is some serious soap opera shit. I'm not there to make friends for life, I have those outside of the game. If everyone on my friendslist decided to ignore me it'd be fine, I'll find other folks to play with.

Making yourself vulnerable for random bs of strangers on the web is a stupid thing to do. it's the internet. Don't get invested in people too much, don't trust people too much, don#t let people too close and don't disclose any personal information. Pretty simple.

In a time where people find lovers in games should it really be surprising that the bad stuff can happen too? Its fine if you dont make friends ingame, I am also now in a duo FC with a real life friend because I was getting sick of the dramas and wanted my peace but I also have met a couple of players and do consider one of them a good friend which I even from time to time play stuff outside of FF14 or talk with him in voicechat. But because of my bad experiences (and being more careful about it anyway) I dont met him in real life but I still would count him as a friend.

MMOs are a place for people that might have problems in real life and those can easily become a victim to some really messed up people. And even "normal" players can become a victim too. And its really sad that there is no great way to block such people effectively ingame and if you dont have great evidence you cant even ban them. (But the person I mentioned in my posts before did get at least one ban so maybe thats the reason he later also changed DC)

Again Cyberbullying and Cyberstalking even exists as real terms. This is not some made up kindergarten drama. This can turn serious. And even if it might not be that bad with the OP (and hopefully never will) there still should be something in the game that stops that..but seemingly the devs thinks that its even fine that if you delete someone from your FL, that the person will still keep you on his..just change things like that and rework blacklists and the cases could at least be less.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, and I like to use gifs to show my emotion at certain statements, I don't think the emoticons portray it well enough.

Wait, he would follow people around and.... emote to them? The horror! We should call 911 on them right now! Lock them up, and throw away the key! He would go into other people's houses and..... stand next to them? Oh no! Holy guacamole!

I'm sorry, I just find this to be absolutely ridiculous to actually equate this with real life stalking, and label this person as a "predator". You realize how serious those crimes actually are in real life?

And yet you dont take it serious at all. Yes its a horrible crime in real life and seeminlgy there is now even Cyberstalking on the internet too. People play games for very different reasons. Some play it to get away from life. They find a nice FC, make friends and suddenly one person turns out to be messed up. Bad things happens and they are kicked from the FC and then they start to harrass you. Follow you, emote to you, whisper to you. Constantly. And it does not stop with using their main but they are trying to put an alt character into the fc again to stir trouble up again. And then also use that alt to stalk, to emote, to whisper. Do you not see how these acts can harm someone emotional? And not only that, but stalking someone ingame, doing all that stuff to someone you dont even know yourself just for your own amusement shows imo a dangerous person. What if that online stalking turns to real life stalking?

Again those are only examples but in this day and age online and real life are not that easily seperated than one things. And it does not even have to be oneself that tells the person private information and suddenly this can turn ugly quite fast.

The OP thankfully is not at that part but they too feel like their fun is sucked out of the game thanks to this behavior, when they seemingly did nothing wrong. And all they want is a way to deal with this. Be it through ingame means like better blacklists or by being able to report them more easily for that. (And yes we already know that spamming emotes can be reported.)

It's. a. game.

With real people behind the characters. The ToS exists for a reason.

I mean what problem is there to be a decent human being? Why is it hard not to troll others or try to hurt them for someone own amusement? Honestly I feel more sad for people that do that, because I then wonder what happened in their lifes to make them that way.

Look, if someone is repeatedly harassing another to some actual degree to where the game experience is lessened I agree that a GM should step in if it is actually severe enough (the actually harassed). However, I think it is ridiculous and completely laughable that people are trying to equate these examples to real life stalking and labeling these people as "predators". Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Being emoted at in a video game is nothing compared to the real life harm that an actual stalker, or predator can do. It trivializes real victims.

If being emoted at in a video game effects someone this severely emotionally, maybe they should turn off the game, or better yet get off the internet.

I was one of those (and maybe the only one) that wrote the word predator. And you know why? Because the example that I brought was not just using emotes or followed people out of "fun" once or twice. It was a horrible person that did many things that are messed up imo. He went so far to make someone stop playing the game, made someone change servers. He did that to many people, especially females..trying to play nice, then flirt with them and if they did not accept that or want that, he would turn nasty. And its not even that he would stop after some time. No even months later he would start to communicate with some again. Try to slander these people and I do know one of them more and she was emotionally down. I am sorry this is dangerous and this is the actions of someone that does it again and again. He does it on purpose and with a tactic in mind so yes he is a predator to me.