SE needs to do more to help bad players

[Rivxkobe]

This community needs to ask themselves this. Are you really that annoyed that bad players group with you and it takes you longer to do a dungeon? Is that the community that you want? When I group I fail, I say sorry. I don't act like a jerk. I don't even call people out when they get mad. I laugh a little, but it is not like I provoke. I won't let your anger ruin my fun.

Look, this game praises itself for having such a great and caring community. Crying about when people play bad, or blaming them for dungeons being too easy. Trying to punish them for being bad. That brings down the community, this heavily push for parsing and "bads". It is all just white noise for what the community is.

I'm pretty old school gamer. I use to play muds, and older mmos. This game gives players who hate grouping with bads. Tools for you to use to build your own groups and lets you have control over that group.

We can complain about you wasting our time and playing worse than you could because you want too. It literally reads as trolling when you avoid skills you don't "like". The fact that you laugh about people getting upset about you wasting their time and dragging the team down also reads as trolling.

I am happy to help players who want to learn and want to improve. But players who choose to play poorly? I don't have time or patience for that and I'm going to let you know that you are wasting time and that if you don't pick it up and carry your weight when everyone else is playing, at least, decently.

If you see no issue with how you play there is nothing the rest of us can actually say to change your mind though.

Your Tank example falls apart under the fact that Tank DPS is factored into Raid tuning.

So heres a fun experiment for you. Take just a Tank and 2 DPS into any high level dungeon. No Healer. Afterall, a healer that isn't dpsing is "refusing to contribute" in your opinion. And since they're "not contributing", you don't need one in your party.
Now, try to complete that dungeon with no Healer. Go on.

Countering his bad analogy with your bad analogy doesn't somehow make your's a good one.

[Wavaryen]

We can complain about you wasting our time and playing worse than you could because you want too. It literally reads as trolling when you avoid skills you don't "like". The fact that you laugh about people getting upset about you wasting their time and dragging the team down also reads as trolling.

I am happy to help players who want to learn and want to improve. But players who choose to play poorly? I don't have time or patience for that and I'm going to let you know that you are wasting time and that if you don't pick it up and carry your weight when everyone else is playing, at least, decently.

If you see no issue with how you play there is nothing the rest of us can actually say to change your mind though.

No you won't cbhange my mind and I don't need you to have fun, for my own fun.

I'm just saying that what some of you want can't be done, and won't be done. You either adjust or not. and the people who pick to do play like this. I doubt they care about your patience. I'm sorry to say.

[Sylve]

Countering his bad analogy with your bad analogy doesn't somehow make your's a good one.

His analogy is one that's been trotted out since before HW.
He claims that a Healer not contributing to the party if they're not DPSing.
I ask of him to complete a dungeon with no Healer. His opinion that a Healers contribution is exclusive to their DPS, so i challenge him to complete that dungeon in a situation where there IS no Healer to contribute anything to the party. See how far he gets.
Hint: Not far.