Lack of End Game Content

[MonteCristo]

[/QUOTE].. like farming the same mob for hours only to lose it to someone else who tagged it faster or people who would drag crap over you to try and kill you so they could kill the monster... or farming the same monster for days and it never dropped the thing.. Yeah.. it was awesome.
FFXI had it's charms.. but for me that game ended up just being a frustrating way to burn 6 hours a day. I will be first in line waving the sign that says "Hell no, FFXI FEATURES WILL MAKE ME GO"[/QUOTE]





I get it....and in your defense this is why i am the minority clearly. But ill tell you this...when you did get that item i bet it meant more to you and it became sentimental/meaningful. Can you say that about any tomestone gear/raid battle piece you ever got? No because once the next patch arrives it will be deemed useless and the treadmill will start all over again. My yin yang robe took awhile to get and i had to battle pkers,missed claims, etc. but when i did get it..my summoner level of play elevated to new heights and it was a feeling that i have not felt in my entire career of ffxiv. Thats the problem with this generation... want everything on a silver platter and to afraid to face any type of adversity.

[Forever_Learning]

But ill tell you this...when you did get that item i bet it meant more to you and it became sentimental/meaningful. Can you say that about any tomestone gear/raid battle piece you ever got?

Yes, because it remains one of my favourite outfits and I ensure I am glamed that way when playing the class.

I find it more sad that people need something like a low probability level or a high-level content reward to find worth in the item.

When you associate value with difficulty of completion or RNG, you are effectively saying you care about bragging rights above all else.

It could be the ugliest thing, but because it was a low chance of happening, it suddenly gets massive value.

It's like in WoW when they just use the same mount five times but everyone wants the BLUE one because that one is the hardest to get. Doesn't matter if it's identical except in colour, all of the value is placed on how it was obtained, rather than if the item itself is good.

[MonteCristo]

Yes, because it remains one of my favourite outfits and I ensure I am glamed that way when playing the class.

I find it more sad that people need something like a low probability level or a high-level content reward to find worth in the item.

When you associate value with difficulty of completion or RNG, you are effectively saying you care about bragging rights above all else.

It could be the ugliest thing, but because it was a low chance of happening, it suddenly gets massive value.

It's like in WoW when they just use the same mount five times but everyone wants the BLUE one because that one is the hardest to get. Doesn't matter if it's identical except in colour, all of the value is placed on how it was obtained, rather than if the item itself is good.

It was about the stats on the item that elevated your level of play in a unique way. Glamour meant nothing at all

[Krotoan]

I get it....and in your defense this is why i am the minority clearly. But ill tell you this...when you did get that item i bet it meant more to you and it became sentimental/meaningful.

NNNope.. it just meant I could move on to the next thing I had to compete with thousands of other players like myself for, for no other reason than the game was made that way. I NEEDED those items to be competitive and attractive to parties. I slightly enjoyed the fact I had a kraken club, but it wasn't just because it was a kraken club. It was because I was now more desirable in a party than all the other shmoes who didn't have it.

Can you say that about any tomestone gear/raid battle piece you ever got? No because once the next patch arrives it will be deemed useless and the treadmill will start all over again.

No game has ever lasted forever, I have since realized that the only value in the game or the items is the enjoyment of the time I'm spending, not the having stuff. I get new raid stuff so I can play the game with my friends and expand my options for doing other things that I enjoy. FFXI was the last game I played that I had spent time playing and sat back and realized I was madder and more stressed than when I started. I may be unique but I have since never continued playing a game where I realized I was spending more time being frustrated than having fun. Video games are all a waste of time. If I wanted to spend time actually achieving something I wouldn't be playing a game.

My yin yang robe took awhile to get and i had to battle pkers,missed claims, etc. but when i did get it..my summoner level of play elevated to new heights and it was a feeling that i have not felt in my entire career of ffxiv. Thats the problem with this generation... want everything on a silver platter and too afraid to face any type of adversity.

Or I realized I didn't want to spend both time and money on something that stressed me out.

[Zabuza]

I guess I will just silently unsub over half of every 6 months like I have been. I didn't realize until this thread that casuals were so invested in making sure raiders never get any new content to have fun with. How dare we want more. Only casuals are allowed that desire. God forbid casuals lose even one thing out of the self-proclaimed never ending content they have to do to help us starving raiders. We're like the peasants that live outside of Eulmore, desperately wanting a place in the great city. The casuals in the city would rather throw out food than let us have any. This is after kicking us out of our houses a decade or so ago and changing the entire government of the city.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I guess I will just silently unsub over half of every 6 months like I have been. I didn't realize until this thread that casuals were so invested in making sure raiders never get any new content to have fun with. How dare we want more. Only casuals are allowed that desire. God forbid casuals lose even one thing out of the self-proclaimed never ending content they have to do to help us starving raiders. We're like the peasants that live outside of Eulmore, desperately wanting a place in the great city. The casuals in the city would rather throw out food than let us have any. This is after kicking us out of our houses a decade or so ago and changing the entire government of the city.

Oh look, another "Casuals kicked my dog" post.

I'm sure the devs would be more inclined to humor you and your ilk's request, if you dropped the toxic elitist attitude. Remember that all of you were casuals once, and casuals are the ones keeping the servers alive, not you.

[Zabuza]

Oh look, another "Casuals kicked my dog" post.

I'm sure the devs would be more inclined to humor you and your ilk's request, if you dropped the toxic elitist attitude. Remember that all of you were casuals once, and casuals are the ones keeping the servers alive, not you.

Me, toxic? A lot of the casuals here are trying to stop raiders from having any fun. That is toxic to the genre and to us. Your side is unwilling to make any concessions at all to help us. Do you not understand that because of the casual crowd, we lost the genre of MMORPG we loved? Do you understand the frustration of knowing that is the case and yet you guys are unwilling to even throw us a bone?

Honestly, I can't understand having so much but still wanting others not to have anything. The greed is beyond belief. We can't even have the elemental wheel because Yoshi is afraid it'd be too complicated for people.

[MonteCristo]

Me, toxic? A lot of the casuals here are trying to stop raiders from having any fun. That is toxic to the genre and to us. Your side is unwilling to make any concessions at all to help us.

Trust me he/she doesnt understand...i been loyal to this mess since 2010 and rode with this game from the VERY beginning through its darkest moments. So of course when they come many years later once its revamped and flex the casual "we pay the most money for the game its about what we want" muscle its gonna always resonate harder to the devs because they are the $$$. At this point remove my legacy tattoo and give me my time spent back.......oh wait nvm...that isnt possible. /OGout

[Xieldras]

Oh look, another "Casuals kicked my dog" post.

I'm sure the devs would be more inclined to humor you and your ilk's request, if you dropped the toxic elitist attitude. Remember that all of you were casuals once, and casuals are the ones keeping the servers alive, not you.

Eh, based on what I've read from the thread since the beginning the "toxic elitist attitude" actually came from the other side, the number of thumbs up when someone dismisses raider posts is a good indicator.
It felt like a reasonable conversation until people started flexing how much content they had while ignoring the OP, who was actually kind of specific in what he meant (and which people kept ignoring). Then it devolved into insults and snide, people screaming at each other and the classic gatekeeping and ByeFelicia culture so useful to discussion and loved by forums everywhere, no matter the neutrality and calm explanations in the posts. So now we are at an impasse where a thread asking for more of a certain type of content and making suggestions about how to evolve said content has effectively been shut down.

If I may reuse the Themepark analogy. There is content everywhere, some people enjoy one type of content way more than the rest. I can't deal with rollercoasters but dangit I love me those "Win a prize-kinda-it's-rigged" games. Now in this case, FF14 is huge and has a lot of different attractions, but there are indeed more of a certain type than others. For players that enjoy rollercoasters, they may want something more thrilling and heart-stopping and that is indeed lacking in numbers. They may have tried the other attractions but they didn't like it and that's okay, you're not gonna love everything. They want more of the heart-stopper kind and they are calmly asking the park directors to make it happen.

Honestly, I want to have a feedback direct messaging that doesn't involve forums. You can't even leave a goodbye post, as cliché as it is, explaining why the game is no longer fun to you without major snark. This type of feedback is priceless to artists and Devs (granted it should favorably be precise and not insulting the Devs themselves is a good starting point).

Hilariously, you throw around the word toxic while throwing shade and somewhat insulting a part of the community while flexing about your dominance (albeit it's true that casuals are the majority, no one likes a show-off). If that ain't toxic then I should read the dictionary again.

[Zabuza]

Eh, based on what I've read from the thread since the beginning the "toxic elitist attitude" actually came from the other side, the number of thumbs up when someone dismisses raider posts is a good indicator.
It felt like a reasonable conversation until people started flexing how much content they had while ignoring the OP, who was actually kind of specific in what he meant (and which people kept ignoring). Then it devolved into insults and snide, people screaming at each other and the classic gatekeeping and ByeFelicia culture so useful to discussion and loved by forums everywhere, no matter the neutrality and calm explanations in the posts. So now we are at an impasse where a thread asking for more of a certain type of content and making suggestions about how to evolve said content has effectively been shut down.

If I may reuse the Themepark analogy. There is content everywhere, some people enjoy one type of content way more than the rest. I can't deal with rollercoasters but dangit I love me those "Win a prize-kinda-it's-rigged" games. Now in this case, FF14 is huge and has a lot of different attractions, but there are indeed more of a certain type than others. For players that enjoy rollercoasters, they may want something more thrilling and heart-stopping and that is indeed lacking in numbers. They may have tried the other attractions but they didn't like it and that's okay, you're not gonna love everything. They want more of the heart-stopper kind and they are calmly asking the park directors to make it happen.

Honestly, I want to have a feedback direct messaging that doesn't involve forums. You can't even leave a goodbye post, as cliché as it is, explaining why the game is no longer fun to you without major snark. This type of feedback is priceless to artists and Devs (granted it should favorably be precise and not insulting the Devs themselves is a good starting point).

Hilariously, you throw around the word toxic while throwing shade and somewhat insulting a part of the community while flexing about your dominance (albeit it's true that casuals are the majority, no one likes a show-off). If that ain't toxic then I should read the dictionary again.

Thank you for bringing a more neutral, level-headed perspective to this. I wish more people thought like you and were willing to accept that it is okay for raiders to want something they enjoy doing in this game. That's all I want. That, and for the devs to read this and consider the pleas of raiders in this thread.

I've said it before, but there's probably a myriad of reasons as to why.

However one thing that I can say is, the statement "There's literally no reason to step aside and let raiders have something" is false. Not agreeing with their reasons or logic isn't the same thing as it not existing. And people aren't going to willingly eat the loss of their content for yours, asking them to do so just won't happen. It would have to be a conscious and deliberate thing on SE's end. Can there be more high-end content? Sure, and perhaps there should be. However asking people to give up their content for people they perceive hate them isn't going to happen.

And "That's a perception manifested by the insecurities of others who can't clear those things." is not entirely true either. Like any group, raiders have their darkside as well. There are "hardcore" players that do treat those not apart of their group as beneath them. Even if the ratio of good and bad is heavily in the favor of good, the ones who are bad are going to more prevalent in the minds of those they affected. Just go to any community that has both a hardcore crowd and a casual crowd, and you will always see animosity going both directions.

If they have a surplus of content like they keep saying, then they'll still have content to eat up if a little is taken away, right? As to your second point, yes, you're correct. Though I haven't really seen any raiders in this thread implying that casuals are beneath them.