Burnt out of the healer BS

[Miiu]

Two things, and I don't mean to say that WHM is bad atm, but it's important to know what you're talking about when it comes to balance.

Every big heal WHM has costs a cast bar. I don't want you to think WHM is just pumping out these heals from nowhere.

And yes, our DPS can be high, but unlike raid utility that everyone can benefit from so long as the AST uses cards, WHMs high DPS is something you're working for. You can easily come out doing less than 4k in a fight you're struggling to heal, and suddenly you're a lot less useful than AST and SCH. WHMs only notable utility is their DPS, if that's not at least noticeable than there's no point.

The same argument can be made for the other healers though. If you're struggling in a fight because you're more busy healing people who constantly make mistakes or you're making mistakes you are not providing as much to the group as you could.

[Yuyuka3]

The same argument can be made for the other healers though. If you're struggling in a fight because you're more busy healing people who constantly make mistakes or you're making mistakes you are not providing as much to the group as you could.

Fun fact:
A SCH or AST providing no pDPS because they need to heal full time still provides more DPS to the group than a WHM providing no pDPS because they need to heal full time. Why? Because the WHM doesn't have ANY DPS utility outside their own DPS, in contrast to AST and SCH who do provide some. Also, from my experience, a SCH got a far easier time upholding their DPS in healing intensive parties than a WHM does. Because it's as Exiled_Tonberry says, almost everything WHM does is tied to the GCD. It's at a point where I struggle to even find anything to weave into a Lily or Regen at times because it feels like there simply aren't enough options. That's why I think at least Misery should be taken off the GCD...

Yes, AST needs to be pushed a little, they really are a bit behind the others. But anyone believing SCH needs a massive buff, as I've seen people claim, needs to get their heads checked. As do people who think adding a second DoT will massively, magically make healer DPS more engaging.

[Miiu]

Fun fact:
A SCH or AST providing no pDPS because they need to heal full time still provides more DPS to the group than a WHM providing no pDPS because they need to heal full time. Why? Because the WHM doesn't have ANY DPS utility outside their own DPS, in contrast to AST and SCH who do provide some. Also, from my experience, a SCH got a far easier time upholding their DPS in healing intensive parties than a WHM does. Because it's as Exiled_Tonberry says, almost everything WHM does is tied to the GCD. It's at a point where I struggle to even find anything to weave into a Lily or Regen at times because it feels like there simply aren't enough options. That's why I think at least Misery should be taken off the GCD...

Yes, AST needs to be pushed a little, they really are a bit behind the others. But anyone believing SCH needs a massive buff, as I've seen people claim, needs to get their heads checked. As do people who think adding a second DoT will massively, magically make healer DPS more engaging.

While the things you say are definitely not wrong. Under those exact conditions sch would bring more rdps then a whm. But realistically how often does this really happen unless the healer decides to not use dps spells?
Also I am not fully sure I agree with whm having a difficult time to keep up a steady dps. I have healed every fight in this expansion as a SCH, AST and WHM. Keeping up with dps around 4k on WHM seemed really easy compared to the other jobs even in fights where people needed "constant" rezzes or saves.

But even so don't get me wrong I am not advocating for WHMs to get nerfed. And I am not for SCH getting massive buffs. From a healing standpoint they're more than fine. Boring? Yes. But weak? Heck no.
AST is the only healer who is functional but still gutted from what the class was before on top of a now ruined identity.

[Trunks]

While the things you say are definitely not wrong. Under those exact conditions sch would bring more rdps then a whm. But realistically how often does this really happen unless the healer decides to not use dps spells?

What an interesting question. It happens all the time, because that is the core mechanic of WHM: deciding whether to use a DPS spell or a healing spell.

So the answer is that it is already happening. At the 75th percentile on Titan, WHM averages a 358 pDPS advantage over SCH; raid DPS at the same level is around 56k. So WHM's pDPS advantage is about 0.64% of rDPS. Surprise! That's half of what the gap is on Innocence, which is what everyone has been using as the reference point when arguing for SCH buffs. And this is a story mode raid.

[TankHunter678]

Fun fact:
A SCH or AST providing no pDPS because they need to heal full time still provides more DPS to the group than a WHM providing no pDPS because they need to heal full time. Why? Because the WHM doesn't have ANY DPS utility outside their own DPS, in contrast to AST and SCH who do provide some. Also, from my experience, a SCH got a far easier time upholding their DPS in healing intensive parties than a WHM does. Because it's as Exiled_Tonberry says, almost everything WHM does is tied to the GCD. It's at a point where I struggle to even find anything to weave into a Lily or Regen at times because it feels like there simply aren't enough options. That's why I think at least Misery should be taken off the GCD...

Yes, AST needs to be pushed a little, they really are a bit behind the others. But anyone believing SCH needs a massive buff, as I've seen people claim, needs to get their heads checked. As do people who think adding a second DoT will massively, magically make healer DPS more engaging.

Doubtful as far as AST is concerned. The reason being is that an AST healing full time has no time for cards and with no time for cards means not only is their pDPS tanking the floor so is the rDPS buffs they provide and they have to spend twice as many GCDs to achieve similar effectiveness to a WHM spending one GCD.

Whereas WHM has the throughput to create moments where it can throw in DPS, not to mention it has a lot more high power emergency options then AST does. It takes a lot to prevent a WHM from being able to throw out DPS.