Burnt out of the healer BS

[EpicOverlord85]

Healers adjust

I’m done adjusting.

[Jerichai]

As AST Not getting the symbol because I HAVE to be in combat, not just my tank/party ... it just make me so furious.
Getting 3 symbole already but having to wait 40s CD on divination make me so furious.

Even WHM new lilyblood is stupid, you take 3 hours to build this thing only to get a damage spell. OK, so boring ... whatever.

SE suck so hard, they didn't test their change, there is no healer designer, they suck so much.

You know what’s worse? Sometimes being on a mob’s aggro table isn’t enough to be considered in combat. Case in point last night I was running a roulette. As my tank leaped into a trash pack, I cast gravity. The spell went off and I saw the aggro list fill with 4 targets. I then proceeded to use a card I had predrawn and...proceeded not to get a seal from it. Seems like there’s another possible “tick” in the server before the game fully recognizes you as “in combat”...

[EpicOverlord85]

Well, hey...some of us are tired of seeing those unwilling to improve...and have never been required to in the vast majority of content...telling those that want the role to be engaging to shut up. Some of us are sick of seeing this role dumbed down because the “healbots” out there won’t be satisfied until everyone is dragged down to their level of effort (again...even though they’ve never been required to improve in the vast majority of content).

The saddest part about all of this? I’m already seeing people telling others to not complain as changes will be made in 6.0.

[Billythepancake]

The saddest part about all of this? I’m already seeing people telling others to not complain as changes will be made in 6.0.

Lmao. "Why complain, there's a slight chance in 2 years the class could change for the better"

[Yuyuka3]

Lmao. "Why complain, there's a slight chance in 2 years the class could change for the better"

Well, welcome to what people told WHM for 4 years. Feels bad going through that bs, doesn't it?

Doesn't mean, as I said, nothing has to change for AST, but jfc, the double standard if something negatively impacts WHM vs. AST/SCH...

[Allooutrick]

So far, I'm finding white mage enjoyable, holy spam aside. Scholar feels a bit dull to dps with. Keep in mind my scholar is in the 50s so combat so far is miasma, broil, broil, broil.

I dont think healers need full rotations but another skill or two to give the player something to consider using would do wonders. Like giving scholar a target aoe heal (similar to cure 3) that harms enemies in the effect could be a good move.

[Jerichai]

Well, welcome to what people told WHM for 4 years. Feels bad going through that bs, doesn't it?

Doesn't mean, as I said, nothing has to change for AST, but jfc, the double standard if something negatively impacts WHM vs. AST/SCH...

WHM need to stop having a victim complex...I swear to god...

Look, I get that WHM has had a tough road over the years. But the answer is not for one healer to reign supreme. It’s perfectly fine for WHM to be kind of pDPS if they’re not going to get a rDPS utility. But at the same time, the design goal should be to make ALL of the healers compelling choices. And this means ensuring that each healer’s combined personal and raid DPS contribution is similar enough across the three.

[Yuyuka3]

WHM need to stop having a victim complex...I swear to god...

Look, I get that WHM has had a tough road over the years. But the answer is not for one healer to reign supreme. It’s perfectly fine for WHM to be kind of pDPS if they’re not going to get a rDPS utility. But at the same time, the design goal should be to make ALL of the healers compelling choices. And this means ensuring that each healer’s combined personal and raid DPS contribution is similar enough across the three.

Victim complex, my ass... so my experiences over the past few years mean nothing, yes?
I was told "WHM is fine!" when we had our job identity utterly destroyed in HW, or when we lost half of our toolkit in StB, either to the damned role skill system or forever (or to get the same skill handed back with a shiny new animation and a bow on top...). We most definitely weren't fine. We had none of our big issues fixed, and people only ever considered a WHM for the first few weeks of a raid content (and not even then during the last) before putting them back on a shelf. I was told "it's just QoL, stop complaining!" when AST got their cast-time buff that pushed them past WHM pDPS, which caused them to not even be considered for progress during the last raid tier in many cases. People tried to outright bully me into playing AST because it was just plain better.

THAT is what I mean by double standard. You people only care if YOU are the ones negatively impacted; if WHM is, who even gives a flying f**k, it's just WHM anyway.

BTW, I was also one of the people who always said, and still says, healers should be balanced and none of them should stand on top of the others. I don't want any of them to lag behind, I want them on part. Meaning that right now, AST needs a bit of love, while the balance between WHM and SCH is rather good, like it or not. Also, you conveniently seem to forget that WHM is still pretty immobile when it comes to DPS and will be the one out of the three dropping the most DPS GCDs for healing, lowering their raid contribution significantly, while SCH and AST got something else they can do to contribute. SCH also, as I said before, got a far easier time holding up their DPS due to their many instant oGCD heals compared to WHM who almost always needs to drop DPS for healing, meaning they will close the gap in harder content. So content that is not p**s-easy Primals like we saw so far. You already feel the DPS drop going into normal Eden; you will feel it even more in Savage.

Also, sorry that YOU hate the new SCH, but I personally don't think it feels as bad as you make it out to be, and I literally just a few moments ago had someone asking me why the heck people claim SCH feels bad, since it doesn't. That person is a HC-raider who will also play SCH in savage and ultimate, and did so before. So, sucks that you don't like what they did, but you know, others do; and they did the same with WHM several times now and people like you never batted an eye. Which is why it feels like a slap in the face coupled with a knee to the groin reading you complain now and jumping down everyone's throats for not agreeing. The very same people who told WHMs to 'stop whining' for years now are now complaining about the same stuff as before... well, maybe had you showed some compassion in the past, you might get some back now.

[Billythepancake]

BTW, I was also one of the people who always said, and still says, healers should be balanced and none of them should stand on top of the others. I don't want any of them to lag behind, I want them on part. Meaning that right now, AST needs a bit of love, while the balance between WHM and SCH is rather good, like it or not.

So instead of bringing up the class lagging behind to the standards of the other healers, it's better to balance by making the others worse? So AST doesnt need potency buffs, instead WHM/SCH should be nerfed until they're at AST's level, according to balance.

Glad to see your friend likes new SCH, but I've met people, of all skill levels, that cant stand scholar, look at all the threads on here, and must people have the same complaints. We're not even upset over effectiveness or about being nerfed, just what we HAVE to do. I dont know who wants to spam 1 button all day, but most people I know like to press several buttons.

[Yuyuka3]

So instead of bringing up the class lagging behind to the standards of the other healers, it's better to balance by making the others worse? So AST doesnt need potency buffs, instead WHM/SCH should be nerfed until they're at AST's level, according to balance.

Glad to see your friend likes new SCH, but I've met people, of all skill levels, that cant stand scholar, look at all the threads on here, and must people have the same complaints. We're not even upset over effectiveness or about being nerfed, just what we HAVE to do. I dont know who wants to spam 1 button all day, but most people I know like to press several buttons.

When the frick did I say that?
I said from the very beginning that WHM needs to be brought up, not the others down. Well, maybe SCH a bit, because dear lord was it OP for a majority of the game and it still continues to be pretty bonkers if you want to see it or not. Btw, WHM also lost a DoT, which apparently is a huge issue for SCH (but not WHM smh) and which was a pretty important one to boot, but, hey... guess that doesn't count at all.

I'm honestly tired of having words put into my mouth...