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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    SE sucks when it comes to healers. They simply can't handle it.

    WHM has been complete trash for 4 years, AST and SCH have been blatantly OP for almost just as long.
    Instead of having all the healers meet half way, they just tore them all down and tried to rebuild them, but failed miserably. The only reason WHM made it out fine is because it was the only healer that wasn't hit with their bright ideas for changes.

    If I was to predict the next step in all of this, they're going to mass buff SCH and AST so that they're so strong WHM is on the bench for the next half decade. I'm so tired of the incompetence when it comes to healer balance. Not putting in a 4th healer was the single best thing they could have ever done. I can't imagine us getting a healer even next expansion, it's really that bad.
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    Last edited by Exiled_Tonberry; 07-22-2019 at 04:31 PM.

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    Naryoril's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    WHM has been complete trash for 4 years, AST and SCH have been blatantly OP for almost just as long.
    Instead of having all the healers meet half way, they just tore them all down and tried to rebuild them, but failed miserably. The only reason WHM made it out fine is because it was the only healer that wasn't hit with their bright ideas for changes.
    Or maybe it's mostly perception because people are so accustomed to WHM being heavily underpowered compared to the other 2 healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    WHM has little to no utility, so I'm assuming they decided to make their damage high to compensate. AST by comparison has the highest utility of the 3 healers, so its DPS being pretty bad makes sense from a balance standpoint.
    Thats how it was even in the past, and I'm okay with that as well, but the amount of ease of raw DPS and healing output WHM puts out is ridiculous. They have a plethora of tools to put out raw healing with litle effort or casting while keeping DPS that far exceeds anything AST or sch puts out for raid DPS or utility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naryoril View Post
    Or maybe it's mostly perception because people are so accustomed to WHM being heavily underpowered compared to the other 2 healers.
    It wasn't "heavily underpowered". Was weaker, but not like how the current balance has it out to be. This is a gross amount of imbalance between each healer.
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    Selena Zensh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naryoril View Post
    Or maybe it's mostly perception because people are so accustomed to WHM being heavily underpowered compared to the other 2 healers.
    WHM was not heavily underpowered, it simply lacked utility. That lack of utility made people not want to grab it when they got the healing situation to a manageable enough level that even with a weaker in terms of raw healing/DPS healer like AST that the utility brought made up for it. While SCH could DPS and heal at the same time easily on top of the utility it brought.

    All WHM needed to be brought up to par with AST/SCH in terms of being picked for serious groups was to give it some utility. Even something as simple as being able to grant everyone a 20 sec Haste or Brave effect on a 2 min cooldown. Buffs that were WHM staples in other FF games. WHM would have become the high DPS high healing healer with burst utility while AST would be the low healing low DPS sustained buffs utility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankHunter678 View Post
    WHM would have become the high DPS high healing healer with burst utility while AST would be the low healing low DPS sustained buffs utility.
    Still not sure how accurate my math is, but I took a stab at figuring out what the AST Balance-Bot gives you in terms of benefit. Kinda looks like 2% with a 4-man, 1% with an 8-man?

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...09#post5093409

    Looking at https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...Any&dataset=90 it appears that WHM do 36% more DPS than AST. It's arguable that nearly / completely offsets the AST buffs, and would explain why they're in just 11% of these logs.

    If I get back to it before 5.05, I think I'll try it without cards because that opportunity cost isn't worth it.
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    Last edited by Boomsmash; 07-25-2019 at 11:33 PM.