Lack of End Game Content

[ElciaDeiLinus]

False, I'm demeaning them because if they think that just because they don't want something means no one should get it, that's disgusting. Again, in mmos resources and or time will always be taken from one thing to implement something new and will cycle through like this (depending on the size of the team).

Savages and Extremes are basically all the hardcore group has and it takes next to no time to down to them. People have asked for a higher difficulty, only for selfish people to shoot it down because they don't have time or the skill to do it.

Really? I must have missed the post where people were saying to remove savages/extremes. Look, if it's selfish for casuals to want to not lose content in order to appease a group that I think this thread has proven beyond a doubt hates them- then it's doubly so for hardcores to want more and more development time at the expense of everyone else.

You call people disgusting and selfish, hivemind- mock their skill, look down on their play time even though what most people consider 'casual' play in an mmo would be considered fairly hardcore dedication with any other hobby.

Savages and extremes aren't all HC players have, anymore than Gold Saucer is all mini game players have- it's perhaps all they choose to take part in, but if we were to look at the amount of time people spend in extremes/savages to gold saucer, or crafting, or whatever else to the amount of time spent developing new content each patch- I would imagine far less player time is spent on the former, while far more dev time is spent on the former.

Doesn't that make you the selfish one for wanting more content than is already given- when there's several other larger niches in the game that get less? Why have raiders always felt they deserve to have far more of the dev's time than any other part of the game, even parts with far more players doing it?

But even so, despite the insults and to use your term 'disgusting' way raiders look down on casuals- I don't think there's anything wrong with you wanting more content at the expense of other players, there's nothing wrong with asking for it and for defending it. But if you want to convince the majority to not view you as elites that consider all non-elites to be garbage-

"If you have half a brain then you can easily do all of the extremes and at minimum the first 2 Savage floors of each tier. They're roughly of the same difficulty, just grow a pair and dive in."

-Maybe stop talking about them in ways like this.

[Nims]

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how can you expect them to be fine with having resources pulled from what they like to support things they don't?

This is what I'm talking about. There's a ton of things in this game that I don't like but other people do, I still support it because at the end of the day not everything is about me and people with my playstyle. Which is something "casuals" need to understand as well, not everything is about you.

I'm also not calling people disgusting based off playstyle or play skill, not sure why you're trying to push that narrative. I'm calling people disgusting that thinks it's ok to block something simply because it's not something they would play/do. That goes for literally anyone in any play group.

Maybe stop talking about them in ways like this.

For starters, I didn't say that, secondly why do you want people to be nice here when you're pretty much saying it's ok that raiders don't get anything.

Why have raiders always felt they deserve to have far more of the dev's time than any other part of the game, even parts with far more players doing it?

Not sure where you're getting this from. Things were fine with Coil as it was an actual raid, casuals said they wanted to see the story but didn't want to actually do the raid. Hence story mode raids, then casuals still complained and now we have the arena boss fights that we have now.

Raiders have asked for harder fights, casual community tells them no.
So now they're asking for more fights or more tiers but I guess the casual community is going to say no to that too?

Raider are about to get a fresh set of content in a week, the game does do regular updates for the higher end players, you can't push the idea that raiders don't get anything. They might not get as much as you like but the idea you don't get anything just isn't true.

Anything =/= enough which is what people are asking for. Either more fights or harder fights where it lasts a bit longer.

Edit: I miss read what you're talking about, I get that raiders do get things, however how that other poster is coming off is as if raiders shouldn't get anything at all or even less than what's offered now.

[jameseoakes]

For starters, I didn't say that, secondly why do you want people to be nice here when you're pretty much saying it's ok that raiders don't get anything.

High end raiders are about to get a fresh set of content in a week, the game does do regular updates for the higher end players, you can't push the idea that raiders don't get anything. They might not get as much as you like but the idea you don't get anything just isn't true.

[Zabuza]

Raider are about to get a fresh set of content in a week, the game does do regular updates for the higher end players, you can't push the idea that raiders don't get anything. They might not get as much as you like but the idea you don't get anything just isn't true.

Ahh, the fresh content that consists of two primals I've fought multiple times before.

The fresh content that will be finished within 2 months, at which point 4 months will just be me unsubbing. For world first contenders, I bet the shelf life is a couple weeks at best. Meanwhile casuals have basically neverending content to do. Endless jobs/crafts to level. Countless achievements and a great number of glamour options.

[jameseoakes]

Ahh, the fresh content that consists of two primals I've fought multiple times before.

The fresh content that will be finished within 2 months, at which point 4 months will just be me unsubbing. For world first contenders, I bet the shelf life is a couple weeks at best. Meanwhile casuals have basically neverending content to do. Endless jobs/crafts to level. Countless achievements and a great number of glamour options.

If that's all your interested in then I doubt SE will ever be able to make enough content to keep you playing. Also won't there be a new Ultimate in 5.1?

[Dualblade]

If that's all your interested in then I doubt SE will ever be able to make enough content to keep you playing. Also won't there be a new Ultimate in 5.1?

Most likely but it is possible it'll be 5.3 and 5.5 instead. The only thing hard confirmed is more MSQ and the NieR 24-man, everything else is based on "this is how SE usually does things for this game".

But yes presuming Ultimate comes 5.1 that'll (assuming he is right about himself and he doesn't get stuck still trying to complete it before 5.1) he'll have two months of "nothing" for end game.

[MonteCristo]

Most likely but it is possible it'll be 5.3 and 5.5 instead. The only thing hard confirmed is more MSQ and the NieR 24-man, everything else is based on "this is how SE usually does things for this game".

But yes presuming Ultimate comes 5.1 that'll (assuming he is right about himself and he doesn't get stuck still trying to complete it before 5.1) he'll have two months of "nothing" for end game.

Anddddddd this is where the problem is...casual players are NEVER able to say there is nothing to do where end game enthusiasts can go months at a time very frequently with little to do then when we DO get something its the rinse and repeat trials or <insert fancy name here> raid turns. All were sayin is make something that will stick and has replay-ability. We cant even get a meta proof real relic weapon with unique stats or weaponskill to show for some form of dedication.(unless that shiny animation weapon glow glamour is there way of saying good job)

[ElciaDeiLinus]

For starters, I didn't say that, secondly why do you want people to be nice here when you're pretty much saying it's ok that raiders don't get anything.

Not even close to what I've said- nor close to true at all. In fact I've said the opposite, multiple times now- that there's nothing wrong with asking for more, and there's a lot of raid content put into the game at far more regular intervals than almost every other form of content in the game.

And keep in mind you're complaining about casuals being selfish, while at the same time saying it's perfectly fine for raiders to treat them like garbage- you don't see the irony of that?

I've also said there's nothing wrong with casuals saying they would want- literally- the same thing, as in more 'crafting, minigames, world content, etc...' or whatever they like- at the expense of other content. Everyone wants different things.

At no point have I said I want fewer raids or hardmodes, or even the same amount- I'd like to see a broader variety personally, a mix of small group, large group and even individual challenge content (such as the Mage Tower in WoW), and I'd like additional difficulty levels of raids. I'm one that actually thinks the 4 tiers of raiding in WoW is a great thing, and would be all for it.

But, I can understand both that there's a solid amount of content in the game for all types, and they're making a game that has content for everyone.

Whether you agree with casuals or not- it doesn't make much sense to lament that casuals aren't supportive of them losing content so you can get more content while at the same time showing such contempt for them.

[Nims]

And keep in mind you're complaining about casuals being selfish, while at the same time saying it's perfectly fine for raiders to treat them like garbage- you don't see the irony of that?

I'll continue when you can copy and paste where I said anything even remotely close to that.