Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Senn]

No, not Gwen, other people, months back when this was the biggest hot button Issue.

Currently, for hrothgar, I think their hair being tied to their face is a big issue. I don't know what the dev team will do about hairstyles moving forward with this race. While I was always open to beast races being added, this hair/face lock made me reconsider that position. How will people change their hairstyle? Will they have to fantasia to do that? Perhaps the dev team has plans to increase hairstyle options, but for now, no one knows. I'll hold my judgment until we get more information.

This is not to say I don't think hrothgar brings variety, because I think they do.

[SturmChurro]

I bet that id they were to do only 1 of the 2, they'd go male viera since it'll sell more (we've seen this with male hrotgar/female viera) and SE wants money for the most part. They already stated like, 50 times they dont really care about the lore, in fact, they even said that they are leaving the lore like it is to allow them in the future, so that is just not only in the negatives, but completely impossible, so I doubt its even worth it to think about it (btw, by lore, the miqote race shouldnt be playable or at least limited to x amount of players, specially males, ur main job, white mage, shouldnt be aviable, and, yeah nah no frog suit)

I think I missed this post. The thing about the lore is, and I have said this before, the game doesn't acknowledge other player characters. They are occasionally acknowledged as "adventurers" in some duties, but your character is the 'warrior of light' (darkness) in their own story. You, and only you is specifically acknowledged, meaning if you were playing a male Viera you could be a "rare" one that decided to go off and adventure. You could have 50 other male Viera standing next to you and it wouldn't matter in a narrative sense.

Currently, for hrothgar, I think their hair being tied to their face is a big issue. I don't know what the dev team will do about hairstyles moving forward with this race.

Pretty much just make more faces with unique hair, and have people switch it that way, from what I gathered. Female hrothgar would most definitely have the same issue; an extremely limited race.

And yes, the female RONSO (FFX) has a look, but then translating that over to FFXIV, WILL they keep them Beastal; with longer Animalistic Muzzles like we currently have, or will them shorten the muzzles and make them all Soft

I imagine they would have multiple varying face options of the big cat variety.

[Senn]

Pretty much just make more faces with unique hair, and have people switch it that way, from what I gathered. Female hrothgar would most definitely have the same issue; an extremely limited race.

I agree, female hrothgar would run into the same issue.

If the devs really plan to make newer faces with unique hair, I think those will come out quite slowly. I doubt they would actually make new faces, but I can possibly see them adjusting some hairstyles to the current faces. Still, I think those will be developed slowly.

Even if the face/hairstyles came out, there's still the problem of people wanting a specific hairstyle, but not the face it comes with, and vice versa.

The hair/face lock seems like it's the trade-off for having a beast race. We can only hope they improve upon it.

[SturmChurro]

I agree, female hrothgar would run into the same issue.

If the devs really plan to make newer faces with unique hair, I think those will come out quite slowly. I doubt they would actually make new faces, but I can possibly see them adjusting some hairstyles to the current faces. Still, I think those will be developed slowly.

Even if the face/hairstyles came out, there's still the problem of people wanting a specific hairstyle, but not the face it comes with, and vice versa.

The hair/face lock seems like it's the trade-off for having a beast race. We can only hope they improve upon it.

Agreed actually. I just read they were making "new" faces, but you are probably right. "New" faces might just mean more of the same faces with a different hairstyle added to the face options. Maybe new fur patterns (?).

Male viera would definitely be more wieldy. They don't even have to manually edit most headgear. Just things like circlets, glasses, ribbons, general "minor" headgear. Viera is more of a traditional race, ear type - tail type, ear length - tail length. Not much to it; not complicated.

[reivaxe]

Actually, the are the second least played male race (only like 4k more than male roegadyn) and the 3rd on the grand scheme of things (more than any sex of roes).

I think fem hrotgar would be a very, very rare sight, but certainly a sight to behold

Wanna chime in and make a correction here.

As of the latest Census that I know of Hrothgar are legit tied with Male Elezen in numbers and more popular than the combined total Roes (as in males and Females). Which is no small feat given that male elezen saw an increase in players at the same time. Also there's around a 8K difference between them and Roebros.

Depending on how Female Hrothgar are designed they can be far more popular than I personally thought they would be (which was "less than Femroe" at first. Femroe aren't popular because of their design and body shape).

All that is kinda beside the point of adding them anyway so it's pretty moot.

Agreed actually. I just read they were making "new" faces, but you are probably right. "New" faces might just mean more of the same faces with a different hairstyle added to the face options. Maybe new fur patterns (?).

Male viera would definitely be more wieldy. They don't even have to manually edit most headgear. Just things like circlets, glasses, ribbons, general "minor" headgear. Viera is more of a traditional race, ear type - tail type, ear length - tail length. Not much to it; not complicated.

In the interview Yoshi talked about new hair styles and faces it seemed pretty clear he knew he was talking about new faces when he commented on that.

As in we got a definite yes to new hair styles and a "Yeah, we'll prob have to do that to. The team is ready" for new faces.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Wanna chime in and make a correction here.

As of the latest Census that I know of Hrothgar are legit tied with Male Elezen in numbers and more popular than the combined total Roes (as in males and Females). Which is no small feat given that male elezen saw an increase in players at the same time. Also there's around a 8K difference between them and Roebros.

Depending on how Female Hrothgar are designed they can be far more popular than I personally thought they would be (which was "less than Femroe" at first. Femroe aren't popular because of their design and body shape).

All that is kinda beside the point of adding them anyway so it's pretty moot.

It is pretty sad to, FemRoe look pretty awesome...but Im guilty of the same issue that most people prefer Cute Girls. And often Slender. Most people dont go for Muscular and Tall Women.
FemHroth might not be SUPER popular (I mean who knows) but I think they would definitely at least Outdo FemRoe. But...they might do better then we give them credit. Maybe even outdo The Males.

[reivaxe]

It is pretty sad to, FemRoe look pretty awesome...but Im guilty of the same issue that most people prefer Cute Girls. And often Slender. Most people dont go for Muscular and Tall Women.
FemHroth might not be SUPER popular (I mean who knows) but I think they would definitely at least Outdo FemRoe. But...they might do better then we give them credit. Maybe even outdo The Males.

Yeah, I played Femroe for years, They're pretty awesome but I can easily see why more people don't play them. For example, you HAVE to be careful with how you dress them cause not everything is gonna look "right" on their body. As in, you can easily look like a man wearing female clothing in some female tops. You can easily look manly af which isn't too appealing to anyone playing a female toon.

I loved my Femroe but SE really screwed the pooch on them design wise. People don't seem to realize that SE want to make things look at least attractive by their JPN standards. Problem is they took a race of tall, soft, wide dudes and instead of making the females tall, soft and curvy (Thic) they made them tall and ripped ... and tossed in the bigg tits. Femroe turned out far from the "Snu Snu" body shape that I could see many playing and landed in "Sports instructor" lands.

I have no clue what they would do with Female Hrothgar. Depends on what they feel the defining traits of the race are. Some people think the defining traits are hunched over, big, buff, beastly. The devs can easily think that the traits are Animal head, fur and "laser focused on battle" as Yoshi put it and make something based on playing with that. For as big and ripped Femroe are they don't portray strength as much as Highlander Females for example so who knows.

Personally I think the Female Ronso look more like highlander females body wise so when I think about it my image of Female Hrothgar are animal headed highlander girls that have Sukeban themed animations. Not hunched over cause that looks terribad on people with breast but just as bad ass cause Sukeban.

[Halivel]

Even if the face/hairstyles came out, there's still the problem of people wanting a specific hairstyle, but not the face it comes with, and vice versa.

Same as with Au Ra face/horns issue... but few times worse, because hair are much important for character's fashion.

Wanna chime in and make a correction here.

As of the latest Census that I know of Hrothgar are legit tied with Male Elezen in numbers and more popular than the combined total Roes (as in males and Females). Which is no small feat given that male elezen saw an increase in players at the same time. Also there's around a 8K difference between them and Roebros.

You are correct here, but there is an issue: July statistic isn't very accurate:

1. It's the start of the expnasion so there is a bunch of Returner players, who will likely leave the game again (and so they will leave "Active Players" section);
2. Some players swapped just to look at new race, not for maining it (as it was with Au Ra);
3. Some players swapped to try it, would be disappointed and so they will return to their original races (as it was with Au Ra).

At this, point, amount of Hrothgars (same as amount of Viera) would decrease a bit later. I would say that proper statistic with players who is actually sticked with new races will show up somewhere in August, maybe even September.

Though I think Hrothgars would be more popular than Roes anyway, their proportions are better, expect hunched back.

[Alleo]

He already looks like a Roegadyn, so why a 3rd meaty race? I disagree. If someone wants a muscled race, go play Hrothgar or Highlanders. More than enough already in game.

Oh dont worry I fully agree with you. I was just surprised that some posted about this boss at all, when nothing on that body type seems doable for the races. They would imo look like those body builders that completely overdid it. My idea would be more along the way of the picture that I commented on in the same post. Muscles but not over the top and fitting for the females of the race.

also, even if this arent exactly how I want em, I wouldnt mind having them look like this tbh, it stills look great and the art is amazing

Sauce: https://twitter.com/night_cf/status/1120462082716184578

Oh another beautfiul pair of handsome men. D:

[zeylos]

I think I missed this post. The thing about the lore is, and I have said this before, the game doesn't acknowledge other player characters. They are occasionally acknowledged as "adventurers" in some duties, but your character is the 'warrior of light' (darkness) in their own story. You, and only you is specifically acknowledged, meaning if you were playing a male Viera you could be a "rare" one that decided to go off and adventure. You could have 50 other male Viera standing next to you and it wouldn't matter in a narrative sense.

Pretty much just make more faces with unique hair, and have people switch it that way, from what I gathered. Female hrothgar would most definitely have the same issue; an extremely limited race.

I imagine they would have multiple varying face options of the big cat variety.

Oh yeah, this MMO is written like a sinlge player RPG hence why it wouldnt matter if 100% of the population were white mage male vieras and female hrtogars and male miqotes and femroes from a narrative sense, kinda forgot about that