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[Gwenorai]

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Yes, in weight. Which makes sense. All this argument puts forward is that the females are fatter than the males. Do they say anything regarding the differences in skeleton structure? This is where the height comes from. If the skeletons are the same in size then they are of the same height. If there's a huge difference in skeletal size and/or length, then the females are also taller/bigger than the males - not just fatter. Fat retention has zero barings on height. Unless you want the females to be wider than the males and the males to be skinnier in regards to Viera. If they do have larger skeletons then it's all good and the argument stands, but I would still say it's a dimorphism that doesn't need to be added.

We don't tend to judge peoples height from their weight.

[Senn]

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It should come as no surprise finding any information on this is extremely difficult. It's definitely a specialized field. Like with most mammals, female and male hares do have skeletal structures that are slightly different, and it wouldn't be shocking to learn if the female hare skeletal structure was slightly bigger to accommodate for birthing litters. I could be wrong, but I really don't care to do too much research on it.

What people can take away from this is that female rabbits and hares tend to be bigger than their male counterparts. Whether this means that the female skeletal structure is bigger or not I cannot confirm or deny.

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Here are more sources confirming female rabbits and hares are larger than their male counterparts.
"Rabbits and hares are unusual among mammals because females tend to be larger than males."
http://www.biokids.umich.edu/critters/Leporidae/

"Adult females are larger than males."
https://kars.ku.edu/media/kufs/libre...us-t-camp.html

I believe they are referring to the size of the female hares and rabbits, not just their weight.

I suspected female hares and rabbits are bigger because they give birth to litters, and I saw other posts online that suggest this may actually be a valid reason. There would be complications with birthing if male hares were bigger. However, these posts were just from commenters. If I find a better source, I will post it. I don't see a reason to be so skeptical of this as it makes sense, and is true of rabbits.

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I said I didn't care to do much research on it, but here's what I found.

-Three of the cranial measurements displayed significant sexual dimorphism females > males
-width of incisive foramina females > males
-height of mandibular ramus females > males
-length of articular condyle females > males
-Length of mandibular diastema females > males

"In all instances, females were larger than males. "

I don't understand a lot of these terms, but these are all skeletal structures of Lagomorpha: Leporidae: Sylvilagus.
https://academic.oup.com/jmammal/art...4/1042/3828752

Here's another source
"Adult head and body length ranges from 250 to 700 mm. Unlike most mammals, females are usually larger than males."
"Female leporids are larger than males, an unusual condition among mammals."
"Females are larger than males in most species, which is unusual in mammals, and are able to reproduce before males."
https://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Leporidae/

"Unlike many other mammals, female leporids are usually larger than males."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics...nces/leporidae

I think this confirms that female hares are generally bigger in size than males, and also weigh more.

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Although I could only find information on the size of their skulls, you could deduce the one with the bigger skull would have the bigger body/bigger bones, especially when you pair this information with other sources stating female hares are generally bigger than male hares of the same species. Like some of the articles mentioned, it is a bit unusual in mammals for the females to be larger than males, but Leporidae seem to be an exception to this.

Now, back to viera... Whether or not they make the males taller or shorter than the females isn't a big deal to me. If male viera are going to be based heavily off hares, then they would be shorter. If they are only loosely based off of hares, then who knows. If you ask for my honest opinion, I speculate the males would be around the same height or a little taller than the females, like with male/female elezen.

Personally, I would like to see male viera be around the same height as female viera, with the height slider allowing us to be shorter than female viera or taller if we please.

Not worth going on or adapting into the race honestly, though if it did it would make some folks happy for males to be taller than females if they wished to be, but also smaller than them in regards to the minimum height.

I think this would be a good compromise. Let people have the option to make their male viera shorter than female viera, but also allow people to make them taller as well.

[Gwenorai]

It should come as no surprise finding any information on this is extremely difficult. It's definitely a specialized field. Like with most mammals, female and male hares do have skeletal structures that are slightly different, and it wouldn't be shocking to learn if the female hare skeletal structure was slightly bigger to accommodate for birthing litters. I could be wrong, but I really don't care to do too much research on it.

What people can take away from this is that female rabbits and hares tend to be bigger than their male counterparts. Whether this means that the female skeletal structure is bigger or not I cannot confirm or deny.

Haha, I feel you! Honestly wouldn't surprise me if the creators of Viera were just the same. It's not worth the hassle!

[Gwenorai]

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Aye, this confirms that their heads are a lot bigger, more their jaw. It's the adult body length that would be the one we're looking for. Which they do say they are 'usually' larger. So, even if we took this. And they were to use it as a baseline, which they probably won't, then the male's height scale would dip below the average female, but some would also be taller. Looking at parts of papers - which weren't that informative to be honest - this just brings me to the conclusion that males have a larger size range than the females.

Not worth going on or adapting into the race honestly, though if it did it would make some folks happy for males to be taller than females if they wished to be, but also smaller than them in regards to the minimum height.