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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    If I didn't type my posts and click the "post reply" button on the forum.... but somehow my posts still get posted.... it might be a privacy concern?
    And if I didn't explicitly allow Square to publicize my character data as they see fit on their website, it certainly would.
    But those are of course silly examples that you're using as a strawman.

    Howevere fflogs isn't part of my agreement with Square.
    It's a separate thing that is collecting data that can be used to indirectly identify me, and thus is subject to EU data collection laws.

    And it's not that I even really care about fflogs myself.
    I just found it weird (and a bit funny) so many people are so very sure it's all legal, when it's clearly not.
    Just accept it's not fully legal in every country, be happy or sad it's small enough to be ignored, and don't be surprised when people complain about it.
    Those laws only apply to your personal information. Once again, your dps is not "personal information", your character name is not "personal information".
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    Quote Originally Posted by AxlStream View Post
    You're good at the game? You're an elitist.
    You're using a parser to better yourself? Elitist.
    You're making suggestions on how someone can improve themselves? E l i t i s t.

    You wipe a farm party constantly but you're having fun playing your way. Nah you're fine dude.

    This community astounds me at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YukinoAmidala View Post
    Those laws only apply to your personal information. Once again, your dps is not "personal information", your character name is not "personal information".
    I posted a link and added quotes that show what those laws apply to.
    They apply "whenever information directly or indirectly identifying you as an individual is stored or processed".
    Where does it say it has to be information you'd personally consider personal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    I posted a link and added quotes that show what those laws apply to.
    They apply "whenever information directly or indirectly identifying you as an individual is stored or processed".
    Where does it say it has to be information you'd personally consider personal?
    Yes that link literally states in multiple places situations where your PERSONAL information can or cannot be collected/reused/processed/etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AxlStream View Post
    You're good at the game? You're an elitist.
    You're using a parser to better yourself? Elitist.
    You're making suggestions on how someone can improve themselves? E l i t i s t.

    You wipe a farm party constantly but you're having fun playing your way. Nah you're fine dude.

    This community astounds me at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YukinoAmidala View Post
    Yes that link literally states in multiple places situations where your PERSONAL information can or cannot be collected/reused/processed/etc.
    Focusing on one word but then ignoring the more detailed explanation is not going to hold up.
    "Personal" is a bit of a vague term, but you can easily argue your personal actions (which result in dps, etc) is personal information.
    But that is open for debate.
    And that is why there is a more detailed explanation that explains what that law applies to, which I've quoted a few times now.

    If you don't want read up on EU legislation that is fine, it's not overly interesting after all.
    But please stop trying to convince people fflogs is perfectly legal, you're only spreading misinformation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    Focusing on one word but then ignoring the more detailed explanation is not going to hold up.
    "Personal" is a bit of a vague term, but you can easily argue your personal actions (which result in dps, etc) is personal information.
    But that is open for debate.
    And that is why there is a more detailed explanation that explains what that law applies to, which I've quoted a few times now.

    If you don't want read up on EU legislation that is fine, it's not overly interesting after all.
    But please stop trying to convince people fflogs is perfectly legal, you're only spreading misinformation.
    fflogs is perfectly legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    Focusing on one word but then ignoring the more detailed explanation is not going to hold up.
    "Personal" is a bit of a vague term, but you can easily argue your personal actions (which result in dps, etc) is personal information.
    But that is open for debate.
    And that is why there is a more detailed explanation that explains what that law applies to, which I've quoted a few times now.

    If you don't want read up on EU legislation that is fine, it's not overly interesting after all.
    But please stop trying to convince people fflogs is perfectly legal, you're only spreading misinformation.
    I've read the article you have provided and even considering everything mentioned there fflogs does not provide a way to identify you as an "individual".

    Using your logic on how to define what is personal information would make this forum illegal since it is showing me your characters name which to you is personal information.

    Your character, actions, dps, etc in FFXIV are all owned by Square Enix.

    Information that you do not own cannot be personal information. Plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukinoAmidala View Post
    Those laws only apply to your personal information. Once again, your dps is not "personal information", your character name is not "personal information".
    Most everything you've said up until now has been your opinion. However, this is most certainly incorrect. If you are unfamiliar with the subject matter it is more than acceptable to do some research before making outlandish claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyData View Post
    Most everything you've said up until now has been your opinion. However, this is most certainly incorrect. If you are unfamiliar with the subject matter it is more than acceptable to do some research before making outlandish claims.
    Did you read the article that aiqa posted? It literally states that it applies to "personal information." So before you question my familiarity with the subject matter how about to actually try and contribute and show us some facts that base your opinion? I am interested in reading them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AxlStream View Post
    You're good at the game? You're an elitist.
    You're using a parser to better yourself? Elitist.
    You're making suggestions on how someone can improve themselves? E l i t i s t.

    You wipe a farm party constantly but you're having fun playing your way. Nah you're fine dude.

    This community astounds me at times.