Being denied the ability to ask questions in Feast is miserable

[Alathon]

Asking questions is one of the most beneficial and necessary steps in learning something. After about a dozen Feast training matches and two victories on WHM and SCH, it sure would help if I could ask questions. I had a lot to ask, and even if I didn't, I bet the people I was matched with would have been glad to offer advice unsolicited.

Some of it would have been helpful. Some of it not so much. Some of it would have been counterproductive, a product of their frustration with whatever noobish mistakes I made....... that they were not permitted to inform me about. I still don't know what I did wrong, some of those matches I had better healing numbers than the winning team's healer. Was it bad DPS or tank? Was it bad luck? Was it a question of positioning, or timing, or resource allocation? Fuck if I know, because the people who could tell me are not permitted to do so.

And for what? To cater to pantywaists who become emotionally distressed when people say mean things about their play in a video game? Do such people even want to engage with PvP content other than to check some box or acquire some silly pixel-points?

If there is a compelling reason for player communication to be disabled I would be very interested to hear it.

[Alathon]

You already have your answer.

If they disabled chat in leveling roulette for that reason I would understand. I would disagree with the decision but I would also acknowledge the logic to be sound.

In the case of PvP, SE has made content which is explicitly selected by a majority of players looking for competition, supplemented by occasional spikes of players looking to check some box or add some sparkly thing to their inventory. In the PvP segment of FFXIV content the priority should be the needs of players who desire competition rather than escapism, roleplaying, power fantasies, nostalgia, or whatever else has drawn them to FFXIV.

I mean... I don't expect them to put a lot of resources into PvP. Their major target demographics aren't PvPers. However, whatever resources they do choose to devote to that segment should be employed with that segments interests in mind to maximize returns.

[Hasrat]

I still really think PvP could benefit a lot from having some sort of Training instance. Something low stress, where nobody's worried about not getting their rewards, fill it up with NPCs or all those afk bots or whatever. A more chill environment to actually learn the maps, learn job synergy, tactics, etc. I guess probably would entail more dev resources than they probably think would benefit; no rewards or anything, maybe it wouldn't get used much.

But, personally, biggest hurdle for me even dipping a toe into PvP is having to go in blind. On some level, I do recognize that it's a somewhat simplified system, I can pick up on my own job mechanics in the Den. But, throwing other players in the mix, whose success/enjoyment of a match may depend in some part on my understanding of what's going on. I'd just as soon not get tossed into that mess.

Although, I guess, strictly speaking, without chat, can't be bothered by anyone having a bad time...

[NyneSwordz]

Asking questions is one of the most beneficial and necessary steps in learning something. After about a dozen Feast training matches and two victories on WHM and SCH, it sure would help if I could ask questions. I had a lot to ask, and even if I didn't, I bet the people I was matched with would have been glad to offer advice unsolicited.

Some of it would have been helpful. Some of it not so much. Some of it would have been counterproductive, a product of their frustration with whatever noobish mistakes I made....... that they were not permitted to inform me about. I still don't know what I did wrong, some of those matches I had better healing numbers than the winning team's healer. Was it bad DPS or tank? Was it bad luck? Was it a question of positioning, or timing, or resource allocation? Fuck if I know, because the people who could tell me are not permitted to do so.

And for what? To cater to pantywaists who become emotionally distressed when people say mean things about their play in a video game? Do such people even want to engage with PvP content other than to check some box or acquire some silly pixel-points?

If there is a compelling reason for player communication to be disabled I would be very interested to hear it.

Dude you assume you'd get constructive feedback or tips in Feast. You won't. No one is going to make the effort to teach you how to play. You're just going to get heckled at and berrated until you quit completely.

I don't think having chat is worth the aggravation of having to be forced to listen to toxic babies who can't handle losses in a videogame.

With that said, I'm fine with an option for people to opt in and out of feast chat. Id that happens, I hope you enjoy and "learn" from the thousands of "l2p" and various profanities hurled your way.

[Nova_Rox]

Dude you assume you'd get constructive feedback or tips in Feast. You won't. No one is going to make the effort to teach you how to play. You're just going to get heckled at and berrated until you quit completely.

I don't think having chat is worth the aggravation of having to be forced to listen to toxic babies who can't handle losses in a videogame.

With that said, I'm fine with an option for people to opt in and out of feast chat. Id that happens, I hope you enjoy and "learn" from the thousands of "l2p" and various profanities hurled your way.

That's a big yikes from me, dawg

[DJMau]

They're not wrong. When chat is active in pvp the first instinct of many is to belittle, berate and do everything in their power to prop themselves up at the expense of others. Failing that they will piss moan and insult their teammates when losing while doing little to nothing to put forth effort.

It's kind of funny...and sad when people will act like the rear end of an incontinent horse then wonder why stuff like chat is revoked. Like, how dare consequences occour for my actions? If ya don't want privileges revoked try not acting like a raging 12 year old.

[Nalien]

I'd rather have people playing mid-match than being keyboard warriors.

That said, I see no reason why we cannot have access to chat during the minutes wait at the start of matches... Whole point of that wait is to prepare, I imagine, strategy... Can't really do that when you cannot say a word to your team, though...

It's kind of funny...and sad when people will act like the rear end of an incontinent horse then wonder why stuff like chat is revoked. Like, how dare consequences occour for my actions? If ya don't want privileges revoked try not acting like a raging 12 year old.

Glaring generalizations aren't particularly helpful, or do you really think that every player in Feast would act like a raging child had they access to chat? There are plenty of helpful people in my experience, who fully deserve the opportunity to communicate with, and help, other players. Such people would be well within their right to question why they cannot do that...

If anything "No access to chat in Feast" should be a punishment, not the norm. Revoke that right from people who do act like petulant infants, leave chat open to people who have some common decency.

Heck, I've seen plenty of childish tantrums in PvE in this game... By the same logic chat should be locked in PvE, but can you imagine the outcry if literally every player was thus denied chat access, simply because of the tantrums of a few idiots? It's absurd, really. No, people who act out in such ways are punished accordingly in PvE. No reason a similar solution shouldn't apply to PvP. All it really does is damage Feast and contributes to a negative impression to the majority of the playerbase ("Feast is so toxic chat was disabled completely"). Far better solutions at hand, but none affordable by a small indie company, I imagine.

[DJMau]

I didn't say every, but enough in that community did so to the point chat was revoked. Actions and consequences. A bit extreme yes but it solved the issue of toxic man babies spewing their verbal waste.

Also given the variance of bad apples to good in both scenarios PvP has a greater concentration than the rest of the game, so naturally it would be a bit more obvious there. People can throw all the salt at SE they want, but they aren't the problem.

[Nova_Rox]

I didn't say every, but enough in that community did so to the point chat was revoked. Actions and consequences. A bit extreme yes but it solved the issue of toxic man babies spewing their verbal waste.

Also given the variance of bad apples to good in both scenarios PvP has a greater concentration than the rest of the game, so naturally it would be a bit more obvious there. People can throw all the salt at SE they want, but they aren't the problem.

Comparing PvP to ALL of PvE is asinine.

Compare PvP chat to PF runs of ex and savage? That's a more fair comparison, and trust me when I say I've seen some "man babies" as you say.

Also, have you ever done a 24 man raid? This is CASUAL content and we have people throwing insults well beyond your normal curse words.

End of the day the fact is that there are bad apples in PvE and PvP. We've come to a point where we need chat back in order to help foster growth of the community. As it is right now new players come on, have no idea why they just got stomped and stop playing because of it.

[Saintly]

Blacklist exist for a reason, i don't see why everyone should be penalized cause crybabies don't want to use it.