Need a Hall of Veteran for skip potion players.

[Kaethra]

I think some of these expected things are a bit much, stuff people do in ex and savage raids arnt things SE can help teach you. Those things come with practice and failing at something.

People always talk about rage quitters but most new/jump potion people I’ve run into take advice well and try to incorporate it.

Hall of Novice is enough but when is it time for SE to stop being held responsible for how bad players are becoming because jump potion or not there are even worse veteran players and what’s their excuse?

This.

And this was said earlier, and I'm going to explain why THIS is actually the problem:

Its nonsense to believe that 100% of bad players will stay bad players. Beside, not everyone knows about platforms such as discord to get information about proper Jobs, Rotations and Openers.
We need something in game to actually provide more information on jobs, mechanics, skill chains, status buffs/ debuffs and so on.
Why would I need to tell people to Google about their job instead of directing them to the Hall of Novice, which can be more fun instead of reading a wall of text.

So here's the problems. First bad players don't become good players. Why? Because being a bad player is NOT synomonous with a new player. New players can be bad. They can also be good. When I first did Holminster Reach for example. I was a new player to that dungeon. I got hit by mechanics that I've never encountered before. What makes me good and not bad? Well its not as simple as staying out of mechanics.

You need to adjust yourself on the fly. And this is where automated tutorials fail. They cannot and will NEVER be able to account for every situation and class. The only way to learn Holminster Reach is to do it. That's right the content we play is already the tutorial. And the Trust system isn't a failsafe either. Those NPCs play differently than players. MUCH diffferently. I've played through the entire MSQ and did every Trust. Those NPCs are not on the same level as players, not even close.

But back to what makes a good player. You can do the mechanics, and you do things that are not asinine. That means you don't be a jerk. Tutorials cannot teach ethics or morality. That's what parenting is for. And well we're all already adults or young adults so you either have this or you don't. This comes into play in the dungeon on the second boss, when you get the numbered markerts. You don't put someone between one marker and the other. Bad players will do this for the lulz. No tutorial is going to teach people not to troll. The second is during the chained up phase on the last boss. Bad players will ignore the chained player and let the rest of the group handle it or let them die.

'b-b-but new players won't know to do this!'

Yeah that's why you all stop being bad players and actually start teaching them.

Imagine that. Yes you are a BAD Player if you do not teach new players how to do things. That is entirely on us as a community to fix. Not SE. We are players that should be helping players. Because that's what good players do. So stop asking for silly tutorials and take personal responsibility.

And this idea that we're telling people to use Google or Discord to learn in game stuff. I never used EITHER of those sources in this expansion. The only thing I read was the SE website showing new class abilities while the game was still in maintenance. That didn't give me much of an edge when playing my respective classes. I had to actually play them. And guess what I did? I posted my findings to my friends. I was the SOURCE of the information on the Discord I manage. I was the source of information to any new players that needed a leg up.

They didn't need a tutorial. They had me. I'm 100x better than any tutorial one of those coders can come up with. All of us are. So lets not be lazy, lets not be bad players. Help those that struggle. Don't just write them off and say "well maybe SE will fix it someday". Be part of the community, help people. Stop being jerks and keeping quiet. If some of these players are good players, just needing an ounce of help, then you all should have no issue giving them that extra push.

So don't be a bad player. Don't direct people to google, don't direct them to discord, and DO NOT direct them to some silly Hall of whatever. Do it yourselves. I'm doing it. Help me help others. If you're not going to help, then stop making these suggestions and stay out of the way.