Viera didn't blow up as big as we all thought.

[reivaxe]

/looks at male Miqo'te rates/ well... who knows.

I've never understood this logic. Like ... given the time, money and resources that go into making races in this game and the added strain it puts on the game development moving forward, why would they want to go through all that for something that's just "like this but with different ears"?

Like "Kitty people are popular ... guess we should jump through all the hoops to make a race that's just humans with puppy ears and tails. Shield hero is popular to, maybe make a race of humans with raccoon ears and tails". Like if you're making something because it's like something else but slightly different then you're not aiming to service groups that don't have a choice that appeals to them ... you're just giving people more of the same. So something being like something else but a lil different is really just a negative IMO. Pretty redundant.

If all you're doing is pulling from current groups with new races then all you're doing is decreasing numbers for other races. Add in bunny and puppy and raccoon and mouse ear humans and congrats ... you've just decreased the number of kitty people by a ton at a great cost to development for no real reason.

[Halivel]

I've never understood this logic. Like ... given the time, money and resources that go into making races in this game and the added strain it puts on the game development moving forward, why would they want to go through all that for something that's just "like this but with different ears"?

Like "Kitty people are popular ... guess we should jump through all the hoops to make a race that's just humans with puppy ears and tails. Shield hero is popular to, maybe make a race of humans with raccoon ears and tails". Like if you're making something because it's like something else but slightly different then you're not aiming to service groups that don't have a choice that appeals to them ... you're just giving people more of the same. So something being like something else but a lil different is really just a negative IMO. Pretty redundant.

For the same reason they made Viera in the first place: fan service, fantasias sells, etc. Actually, female Miqo'te, Auri and Viera are in different niches and have quite different auditory with different styles even though they all look similar, and my "looks at their rates" here goes more to the fact that playerbase overall seem to like handsome looking options more than everything else (which is kind of understandable in case with males tbh because most of MMO have horrible choices for male characters with waifu-cutewaifu-sexywaifu-everywhere for females). Same fancervise (kind of at least) it could be for males but we will not know until the moment (if) they would be implemented (that's why I also specify that it would depends on how they could look).

It doesn't mean that other options, such Hrothgars, should not exist - they should. But it doesn't make adding Vieras or anything else less relevant either and screaming "I DON'T APPROVE!!111!" because you personally would prefer something else, like some people do is just... no comments.

And it has nothing to do with being negative or positive, really and it's not redundant. But I suppose we just have different views here. /shrug/

[reivaxe]

For the same reason they made Viera in the first place: fan service, fantasias sells, etc. Actually, female Miqo'te, Auri and Viera are in different niches and have quite different auditory with different styles even though they all look similar, and my "looks at their rates" here goes more to the fact that playerbase overall seem to like handsome looking options more than everything else (which is kind of understandable in case with males tbh because most of MMO have horrible choices for male characters with waifu-cutewaifu-sexywaifu-everywhere for females). Same fancervise (kind of at least) it could be for males but we will not know until the moment (if) they would be implemented (that's why I also specify that it would depends on how they could look).

It doesn't mean that other options, such Hrothgars, should not exist - they should. But it doesn't make adding Vieras or anything else less relevant either and screaming "I DON'T APPROVE!!111!" because you personally would prefer something else, like some people do is just... no comments.

And it has nothing to do with being negative or positive, really and it's not redundant. But I suppose we just have different views here. /shrug/

I think people have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the money works in this. A race is the most expensive cosmetic option they can add to the game and to put it simply if they thought that the pay off in fantasias sells alone would warrant the added strain and resources of supporting more races they wouldn't be saying this is all they can handle ... they would legit make a new race every expansion if that were the case. The "real" pay off or profit to it would be in getting new players in the game and having a chance to hook them into the game world because now you offer something that appeals to them that wasn't there before.

You're right that Viera were added for "fan service" ... but the way Yoshi talked about it it seems more so like they felt they had to. Fans like myself pretty much brow beat them into doing it and to make current fans happy they went with it over Female Hrothgar. It's not just my words, the man legit says this. Same for the redundant bit, he literally said "what's the point in adding another handsome male if the only difference is the ears?". The reason to add a new race isn't to drag numbers away from something else already in the game, it's to offer something new to the line up that could appeal to people and bring in new players, to service people who aren't being serviced. (Atleast when your game doesn't look like it can run on a toaster that is. WoW can make all the new races they want because of how it looks)

You can disagree if you want, idc personally.
Like I said, I don't get that logic.

[Kacho_Nacho]

For the same reason they made Viera in the first place: fan service, fantasias sells, etc. Actually, female Miqo'te, Auri and Viera are in different niches and have quite different auditory with different styles even though they all look similar, and my "looks at their rates" here goes more to the fact that playerbase overall seem to like handsome looking options more than everything else (which is kind of understandable in case with males tbh because most of MMO have horrible choices for male characters with waifu-cutewaifu-sexywaifu-everywhere for females).

Interesting view. I've found that female characters tend to have less choice in appearance options. There are all sexy-cute while the men tend to have a greater range. Well, except for WoW. Every guy there is an unshaved ape.

[Halivel]

Interesting view. I've found that female characters tend to have less choice in appearance options. There are all sexy-cute while the men tend to have a greater range. Well, except for WoW. Every guy there is an unshaved ape.

Well, I didn't say that females have more options, I wrote "waifu-cutewaifu-sexywaifu-everywhere" quite openly (and I see this part of my message in the quote). I only said that males mostly have horrible options (imo, ofc). Every time I tried a new MMO in the past it was two types of horrible range of choices for both genders:

- few mountain-gorilla-looking male options with dumb meh faces who looks like they never seen a mirror.
- few model-looking female options as if they took photoset for magazine 15 minutes ago.

There are some exceptions with good chracter options... for males mostly, though. Females in this term are mostly unlucky, sadly. FFXIV does good job at this point and has few decent options for both genders (female Roes and Highlanders are queens at least until femHorthgar release, dunno anything). FFXIV also does impressive job armor-wise, but that's not the topic now.

You can disagree if you want, idc personally.
Like I said, I don't get that logic.

I don't say I'm completely disagree. There is a point, a solid one. But does it make addition of other 2/3-beast options less legit, just because they don't bring something completely new? No, it doesn't. At this point, uhm, let's phrase it like this: if they ever going to do counterparts, they should do both. Or don't do anything because providing option only for one race would be simply unfair, same as it is unfair now for those who wanted female Hrothgars or male Vieras.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Well, I didn't say that females have more options, I wrote "waifu-cutewaifu-sexywaifu-everywhere" quite openly (and I see this part of my message in the quote). I only said that males mostly have horrible options (imo, ofc). Every time I tried a new MMO in the past it was two types of horrible range of choices for both genders:

- few mountain-gorilla-looking male options with dumb meh faces who looks like they never seen a mirror.
- few model-looking female options as if they took photoshoot for magazine 15 minutes ago.

There are some exceptions with good character options... for males mostly, though. Females in this term are mostly unlucky, sadly. FFXIV does good job at this point and has few decent options for both genders (female Roes and Highlanders are queens at least until femHorthgar release, dunno anything). FFXIV also does impressive job armor-wise, but that's not the topic now.

I apologize for being unclear. What I disagreed with was your use of horrible. I was arguing; due to the wider range of options, males are not limited to choosing only horrible looks.

Meanwhile, most games offer only supermodel looks for their women. I know it isn't likely to occur in FFXIV; but, I'd love to play a plain Midlander woman as the Warrior of Light.

However, that's all off topic or is it? Maybe enough players felt like me that it impacted Viera. /shrug

I... I liked playing Male Worgen, Dwarf, Tauren and even my male Nightelf xD. But yeah, out of the few MMOs I have played, some have "ugly" male character models. And as someone who's never participated in any high-end hectic content, I get to actually look at my character more than others. Still, from what I skimmed, XIV's male character models look quite fine to me, even though I still decided for female Au'ra in the end (without knowing/caring about popularity).

Dwarves and gnomes here.

[Mahoukenshi]

Interesting view. I've found that female characters tend to have less choice in appearance options. There are all sexy-cute while the men tend to have a greater range. Well, except for WoW. Every guy there is an unshaved ape.

I... I liked playing Male Worgen, Dwarf, Tauren and even my male Nightelf xD. But yeah, out of the few MMOs I have played, some have "ugly" male character models. And as someone who's never participated in any high-end hectic content, I get to actually look at my character more than others. Still, from what I skimmed, XIV's male character models look quite fine to me, even though I still decided for female Au'ra in the end (without knowing/caring about popularity).