Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[zeylos]

Well... let's see. It is a female Viera. And it looks like a female Viera. Seems like a case of calling a spade a spade, to me.

can still identify as a he, but no need to start discussing this now

[zeylos]

So, on the actual subject of male viera, I've basically been playing wow recently, and I must say that night elves are basically viera race withotu rabbit ears and have moon all the time? Like, its almost identical. They're both a super masculine, fierce and strong race, theyre both matriarchal and they're both in forest areas. The difference I think, is that male night elves if im correct were onyl druids and male viera seem to be summoners, archers or rouges/ninjas going by what we know of their lore atm

[Komarimono]

So, on the actual subject of male viera, I've basically been playing wow recently, and I must say that night elves are basically viera race withotu rabbit ears and have moon all the time? Like, its almost identical. They're both a super masculine, fierce and strong race, theyre both matriarchal and they're both in forest areas. The difference I think, is that male night elves if im correct were onyl druids and male viera seem to be summoners, archers or rouges/ninjas going by what we know of their lore atm

If anything, Viera are similar to Night Elves. Dare ya to read their lore and history, which has been around longer then Viera btw. It can be a long bit of reading, but you may be shocked at how similar many things are. I've always secretly thought that Viera were a furrier clone of Nelfs from WoW, due to how their limited lore matches everything Night Elf.

[zeylos]

If anything, Viera are similar to Night Elves. Dare ya to read their lore and history, which has been around longer then Viera btw. It can be a long bit of reading, but you may be shocked at how similar many things are. I've always secretly thought that Viera were a furrier clone of Nelfs from WoW, due to how their limited lore matches everything Night Elf.

Actually, you are right. Viera are night elves with rabbit ears and more elegant animations? Im not even sure if theres many more differences between their base lore?

[Komarimono]

Actually, you are right. Viera are night elves with rabbit ears and more elegant animations? Im not even sure if theres many more differences between their base lore?

So far, they are a heavily inspired clone. Many won't like me saying it, especially those who dislike Warcraft lore and games. But it's what I noticed and don't blame them for leaning upon it. While Blizzard seems to have started falling out of grace for their lack of imagination and ingenuity compared to what they've had in the past, their lore has always been wonderful and led to many good books too.

[KaijinRhada]

So, on the actual subject of male viera, I've basically been playing wow recently, and I must say that night elves are basically viera race withotu rabbit ears and have moon all the time? Like, its almost identical. They're both a super masculine, fierce and strong race, theyre both matriarchal and they're both in forest areas. The difference I think, is that male night elves if im correct were onyl druids and male viera seem to be summoners, archers or rouges/ninjas going by what we know of their lore atm

Rather that druids for a long while in Night Elven society were male only (or majority), and vice versa for female Kaldorei and their priesthood, though both vocations had the gender divide annulled when they were made playable, with the lore confirming a recent shift in their society. Nothing else barred males from other paths in life, and now we have female druids that are actually quite quite a bit older. Really though, the gender divisions were a lot more pronounced in WCIII than in WoW. Generally speaking, Night Elves lead a nocturnal life (minus the fact they make concessions with other races and live diurnally in territories outside of Kalimdor).

But yes, they have a similar feel to Viera in how their female population is represented; Viera give off a strong Sentinel/Warden/Huntress vibe.

[zeylos]

Rather that druids for a long while in Night Elven society were male only (or majority), and vice versa for female Kaldorei and their priesthood, though both vocations had the gender divide annulled when they were made playable, with the lore confirming a recent shift in their society. Nothing else barred males from other paths in life, and now we have female druids that are actually quite quite a bit older. Really though, the gender divisions were a lot more pronounced in WCIII than in WoW. Generally speaking, Night Elves lead a nocturnal life (minus the fact they make concessions with other races and live diurnally in territories outside of Kalimdor).

But yes, they have a similar feel to Viera in how their female population is represented; Viera give off a strong Sentinel/Warden/Huntress vibe.

Viera is basically final fantasy's take on a wood elf race, and they chose to add rabbit ears and sexy lingerie and such for selling I guess, so its our night elves (I also play a male night elf in WoW btw lol)

[Lauront]

There are similarities but in the case of the Viera, they are not matriarchal; they are segregated because the males wander off into the woods, leaving the females to manage themselves and the children. Night elves on the other hand only had the Druids segregating themselves in a similar way.

We don't know anything about male Viera with respect to what paths they take up, other than the fact that their overall role is that of solitary hunters protecting their woods.

As to referring to the females as "super masculine", well, whatever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We've been over why I think it's a misuse of the term in this context.

[Gwenorai]

Hmm, I personally think the Viera are matriarchal in their society - but males do not conform to society, they are separate. However, the matriarchal part might actually come from the fact the spirit they worship and follow is female. The spirit they follow/worship also talks to them and communicates with them. Every Viera can do this barring those who 'leave' the wood who end up deaf to the wood. Anyway, the males talk to, protect and worship this female spirit. Not the Matriarch. The female spirit also sees them all as equal. Why the spirit wishes the males to be separate from the females - we do not know. But she does and if we're lucky we might find out. We do know that Viera were, not like this before, this way of life was a form of adaption after they lost their true homes millennia ago.

While with the Vii, they have a female chieftain, yes - but they followed the orders of a male Emperor. So this is not entirely matriarchal.

I wonder if the Viera in the wood has something that is akin to the 'Echo' in regards to this. Seeing as the Vii in the first were chosen to protect and bodyguard ancient texts and stories of the 'truth' of Zodiark and Mama Crystal. What if the Viera on the source are the same, but with most having the echo to talk to the manifestation of the wood. Remember that 'Vii' do not have this, the wood does not speak to them. Nor is there anything that hints the dulling of their hearing to understand the words of the wood when they leave it. Nor was there anything that hinted that the Vii had the same type of powers that the Viera had where they could hear and talk through the void itself/through the different fragments of the source and thus made amazing summoners due to this - I'm interested to see if this is true in FF14 as it is in the previous games and if Square will use this.

Can't forget that those who leave the wood - in the source - aren't called Viera anymore due to them turning back on the spirit of the wood and that lifestyle. Which can be argued, physically dulls them to the point their hearing can't hear/understand the wood anymore. It makes me wonder how that works. Why does being in the wood have them be able to understand or hear while leaving it has them going 'deaf' to it.

As I do recall in Golmore jungle - as we already know by the 24man - there is a huge abundance of crystals. It also houses ultima who is trying to replicate/copy the mother crystal - right down to her pose where she stands in the crystals when comes to images of a humanoid mama crystal in the old artworks of FF online.

[zeylos]

There are similarities but in the case of the Viera, they are not matriarchal; they are segregated because the males wander off into the woods, leaving the females to manage themselves and the children. Night elves on the other hand only had the Druids segregating themselves in a similar way.

We don't know anything about male Viera with respect to what paths they take up, other than the fact that their overall role is that of solitary hunters protecting their woods.

As to referring to the females as "super masculine", well, whatever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We've been over why I think it's a misuse of the term in this context.

Regarding the matriarchal thing, I believe they specifically said that its amtriarchal in the lore somewhere? could be wrong thou.
As for supermasculine, they have a rather masculien body (super strong, muscled and broad shouldered) and a masculine personality, but you are free to see it otherwise ofc. I think that being a masculine race is a staple if you are going to make a race that lives in such a dangerous place as a jungle