[SPOILERS] Warrior of Light's True Name

[Wolffriend]

Gender neutrality isn't relevant for this. Our gender and the original Ascian's gender don't have to match, as proven by my WoL being female and Ardbert being male. Also, Hythlodaeus specifically refers to the Ascian we are fragments of as she (which surprised me because a lot of the ascians in Amaurot refer to each other with the gender neutral "they" when they do such referencing at all, so I doubt it's just a case of assuming which pronoun to use for the English translation like with what's-her-name from 1.0). Emet-Selch also referred to "her" when seeing that ascian's outline when Ardbert rejoins with us, and I'd have to go watch the CS again, but I believe his Japanese dialogue implied "her" as well?

The "she" only applies if your character is female. Male characters get "he" in those dialogs.

[YanderePrincess]

The "she" only applies if your character is female. Male characters get "he" in those dialogs.

Are you sure about that? Because that really wouldn't make any sense in the context, and I would hope the translation team learned their lesson with the woman from 1.0 about assuming gender of the characters if it's not specified in the Japanese (which it frequently isn't).

[Wolffriend]

Are you sure about that? Because that really wouldn't make any sense in the context, and I would hope the translation team learned their lesson with the woman from 1.0 about assuming gender of the characters if it's not specified in the Japanese (which it frequently isn't).

Yes, male characters in my FC have confirmed that Hyth says "he" to them. Others here have also said the same thing.

This is of course in the English version; might be different it other languages, but haven't seen many translations of that conversation yet.

[YanderePrincess]

Yes, male characters in my FC have confirmed that Hyth says "he" to them. Others here have also said the same thing.

This is of course in the English version; might be different it other languages, but haven't seen many translations of that conversation yet.

Yeah. I use Japanese dialogue, but seeing as the ancients aren't actually speaking Japanese there, it doesn't really help with knowing what was actually said. I'll see if I can go back and watch the scene with Emet-Selch and confirm if he specifies in his spoken dialogue. There's a good chance he doesn't, though, just because of how much Japanese omits pronouns.

[HyoMinPark]

Yeah. I use Japanese dialogue, but seeing as the ancients aren't actually speaking Japanese there, it doesn't really help with knowing what was actually said. I'll see if I can go back and watch the scene with Emet-Selch and confirm if he specifies in his spoken dialogue. There's a good chance he doesn't, though, just because of how much Japanese omits pronouns.

Fairly certain that the voice-acting and dialogues were made so as to change the pronouns based on if our character were male or female. I play with Japanese dialogue, so of course my character is referred to as a female in the few instances where the Japanese uses male/female pronouns. However, I’m also certain that, should I Fantasia into a male character, they would replace the female pronouns with male ones. It’s very possible that the scenes have two VA recordings, and which one plays is determined based on our character’s gender. I doubt that male characters are referred to as “彼女” (“kanojo”; “she/her”), and are instead referred to as “彼” (“kare”; “he/him”). On the occasions we aren’t referred to by the myriad of pronouns for “you”.

[YanderePrincess]

Fairly certain that the voice-acting and dialogues were made so as to change the pronouns based on if our character were male or female. I play with Japanese dialogue, so of course my character is referred to as a female in the few instances where the Japanese uses male/female pronouns. However, I’m also certain that, should I Fantasia into a male character, they would replace the female pronouns with male ones. It’s very possible that the scenes have two VA recordings, and which one plays is determined based on our character’s gender. I doubt that male characters are referred to as “彼女” (“kanojo”; “she/her”), and are instead referred to as “彼” (“kare”; “he/him”). On the occasions we aren’t referred to by the myriad of pronouns for “you”.

Typically, yes; but contextually it doesn't entirely make sense for the gender of the Ascian to change with the gender of the WoL, especially when we know that the WoL doesn't have to be the same gender (as indicated by Ardbert). The only reason I can see for it to match our WoL's gender is if our WoL is complete enough due to the previous rejoinings to always match up to the gender of the original Ascian, but that honestly feels like it'd be one of those contrivances just to enforce gender conformity. But with Ardbert being male, even if you're female, that kinda makes such a contrivance irrelevant as there's still gender non-conformity in that respect. But, either way, I want to see if the scene actually references gender in the first place, because if Emet-selch doesn't specify at all, then the scene becomes useless for determining which they did.

[Raiya]

Typically, yes; but contextually it doesn't entirely make sense for the gender of the Ascian to change with the gender of the WoL, especially when we know that the WoL doesn't have to be the same gender (as indicated by Ardbert). The only reason I can see for it to match our WoL's gender is if our WoL is complete enough due to the previous rejoinings to always match up to the gender of the original Ascian, but that honestly feels like it'd be one of those contrivances just to enforce gender conformity. But with Ardbert being male, even if you're female, that kinda makes such a contrivance irrelevant as there's still gender non-conformity in that respect. But, either way, I want to see if the scene actually references gender in the first place, because if Emet-selch doesn't specify at all, then the scene becomes useless for determining which they did.

To put it this way the explanation for the different gender's is likely to be plot based: At some point we might regain all the fragments of our soul and regain our original form or abilities and the gender divergence is because of this so our character in their original state matches the one you create. It's to maintain consistency down the road if we head that direction plotwise. As for Ardbert, the fact that he's a smaller fragment of the original soul it can explain why his gender is not the same as the character you are lore wise, (of course we all know the Warriors of Darkness are deliberately modelled after the original warriors of light from the FFXIV trailers, they're essentially an ingame shoutout to the character's people created in 1.0), in addition when it come's to the concept of reincarnation the soul is considered not to have a gender and can be reborn either gender.

[Alleo]

Yes, male characters in my FC have confirmed that Hyth says "he" to them. Others here have also said the same thing.

This is of course in the English version; might be different it other languages, but haven't seen many translations of that conversation yet.

He makes that difference in german too. Its also interesting that he does not in any way calls us a friend in the german version (even though his comments about the 14th does hint that he at least knew them in some way). In German he says something like "Dont let me stop you my child", which is probably more to show the elder talking to a younger one bit.

He can also not really see Ardbert in that situation, just notices the color too.

[Lieha]

He makes that difference in german too. Its also interesting that he does not in any way calls us a friend in the german version (even though his comments about the 14th does hint that he at least knew them in some way). In German he says something like "Dont let me stop you my child", which is probably more to show the elder talking to a younger one bit.

He can also not really see Ardbert in that situation, just notices the color too.

Same thing in french. He makes the difference depending of the gender of your character. He also call us 'his not so new friend'.

Another thing interesting is that he says he wouldn't be surprised if Emet-Selch realised we inherited the soul of their Ancient friend considering 'the affection' he had for her.

[SaberMaxwell]

Same thing in french. He makes the difference depending of the gender of your character. He also call us 'his not so new friend'.

Another thing interesting is that he says he wouldn't be surprised if Emet-Selch realised we inherited the soul of their Ancient friend consedering 'the affection' he had for her.

Please you're fueling my WoL x Emet-Selch shipping too hard :<