5.0 WAR is a disappointment

[Izsha]

That is way to broken. 10% mitigation and aoe heals for 25% of your damage to most or all party members is waaaay to strong. Its balanced perfectly fine as is vs other tanks single target assist buttons thay all last 6-7 sec.

The only issue with glint is that its hard to use on a controller effectively without a macro. The effect of the skill is A-ok. Just make it a little more user friendly like select the nearest target if you dont manually select one (for example) or something else to make the targeting less precarious on controller.

[NyneSwordz]

That is way to broken. 10% mitigation and aoe heals for 25% of your damage to most or all party members is waaaay to strong. Its balanced perfectly fine as is vs other tanks single target assist buttons thay all last 6-7 sec.

The only issue with glint is that its hard to use on a controller effectively without a macro. The effect of the skill is A-ok. Just make it a little more user friendly like select the nearest target if you dont manually select one (for example) or something else to make the targeting less precarious on controller.

I have a macro that selects selects and casts nf on my teammates, chocobo, or focus target. Works great.

Action is nigh unusable without the macro on a controller though.

[Glazdon]

WAR is in a good place.


Potency issues aside...
Removing the enmity rotation makes the job better, not worse. (Lets be honest with ourselves, you didn't use the Skull Sunder rotation more than once a boss fight, if that).
Yes it feels wierd not to have some mitigation on our gauge. With the loss of Inner Beast, we got that skills healing and mitigation split into 2 separate abilities on the same cd.
If there is something that I feel needs tweaking its Nascent Flash. The fact that this ability REQUIRES a partner is a problem for me. The 10% mitigation on the partner and not the tank is also an issue. Toss in the fact that the duration is 3 gcds, so if you do not use it with gauge abilities the healing is incredibly lackluster.

I agree with this 100%

Honestly I feel like Warrior is in a good place. The only real gripes that I have fall into two points.

1. I tend to find myself wanting for a little more sustained mitigation besides Rampart. The 10 second duration on Vengeance and Thrill leave Rampart as the go-to for large pulls that tend to last. This is probably something to consider for other tank classes as well, but increasing the duration of one other cooldown might not be entirely necessary but would certainly be welcomed by me. An easy fix would be applying the 10% mitigation on Nascent Glint to the tank as well even if it's only for the 6 second duration.

2. Nascent Flash is an amazing skill that is a painful disappointment. Truly, if I could ask for nothing else from the dev team, it's to please remove the need for another player to be present to use Nascent Flash. As a class that takes pride in its (semi) self-reliance, the fact that your pinnacle self-sustaining skill is completely inaccessible to you if you're by yourself is utterly tragic. Too many times already have I been doing the level 80 dungeons and my party has wiped because they missed the mechanics of a boss when it's <10%, and I would have been capable of finishing it off myself if I'd been able to heal myself up some with NFlash. But no. There's no one there to put the glint onto, so a critical skill in my toolkit is rendered totally unusable, I finally get taken out too, and we all have to make the long trek back to the arena. There's no need for it to be like that, especially with the update to Dragon Sight as proof of concept, and the fact that such a critical skill is effectively locked behind the need for a macro to use its full potential speaks volumes to the need for a revision on that front.

[BarretOblivion]

Personally I am on the team of WAR feels incomplete right now. Of all the classes that lost alot, it was WAR that upon losing all the bloated skills, you realize how barren the class actually is. Lets, be honest here. Nascent Flash is the worst OT skill of all the tanks. 10% is the lowest value for a OT support skill tied with Intervention on Paladin. The difference between the two is Paladin can burn extra cooldowns they aren't using for increased mitigation for up to a 25% mitigation. Flash is a flat 10% with all you get in return is a bloodbath effect that is shared with your MT. Problem is that it lasts for only 2-3 GCDs and the scaling on it is low enough to where the heal is something that is completely useless in all honesty unless you are using it in dungeon AoE spam.

Next is the fact that WAR is now just even more so a Fell Cleave bot. We didn't get anything besides Nascent Flash as the other two "skills" are basically just passive one time sill changes. WAR damage is no longer their selling point because right now they are the second lowest with DRK being lower than them. At very least it wouldn't be too hard to ask for WAR to get back a DoT like all other tanks have (I classify salted earth as a DoT). Now all WARs have that would make me want one to bring in as my tank is Holmgang.

[Sylvain]

4.5 war, often considered perfect
5.0 war, same as 4.5 with more support, über felcleave, better aoe - > worst job

I totally understand that

[SgtPepperUK]

That is way to broken. 10% mitigation and aoe heals for 25% of your damage to most or all party members is waaaay to strong. Its balanced perfectly fine as is vs other tanks single target assist buttons thay all last 6-7 sec.

The only issue with glint is that its hard to use on a controller effectively without a macro. The effect of the skill is A-ok. Just make it a little more user friendly like select the nearest target if you dont manually select one (for example) or something else to make the targeting less precarious on controller.

Targetting nearest player would work for me and others, though someone else has brought up a good point about it being unusable if you're last one standing. Either way this needs fixing. I play on PC M/KB and even I've now made a macro for this.

More and more I am thinking it needs to change from a 6s cooldown to being something that will apply to the next three skills you use. It is fairly decent for packing mobs but, with the overall loss to self sustain, dodging is now more important, if you have to dodge in that six seconds you lose the HP return until it's off cooldown again, it's not a long cooldown admittedly but can still make all the difference. When the HP return was built in to the skills before, dodging didn't impact it, you would fire off IB/SC when you moved back in.

4.5 war, often considered perfect
5.0 war, same as 4.5 with more support, über felcleave, better aoe - > worst job

I totally understand that

The overall toolkit is worse since the ShB changes.

Mythril Tempest is nice, especially with the trait for filling the gauge.

The chaos skills are okay, extra damage is always nice but they're not earthshattering. They are essential though for Nascent Flash.

It's the changes to Inner Beast and Steel Cyclone that are disappointing. Numbers wise, it is a bit weird, solo target using Inner Beast, the old HP recovery was better. For packs of mobs, the numbers are probably a bit more even, with the old system being slightly better but not by a massive amount. Without crunching the numbers I'm not sure how much Inner Chaos/Chaotic Cyclone close the gap but Nascent Flash works best pair with Infuriate, possibly giving more HP back than we would have had before.

However, Nascent Flash is definitely more clunky to use, can't be used solo and we don't get the full benefit at lower levels so we definitely lose out on any sync'd runs.

[SpookyGhost]

Was going to make a long post, but instead I think it's easier to sum it up as: Shadowbringers has been the straw that broke the camel's back for me, and if I were actually raiding this expansion I wouldn't be playing WAR. Not for DPS problems or balance problems, but just because it's now so far removed from the job I loved in ARR that I feel like it's not even WAR anymore. Some people might like the direction WAR has been headed in since Heavensward, but what made me love the job in ARR was the synergy between offense and defense. Slowly, over each expansion, that's been removed in favor of making WAR a DPS that happens to have defensive CDs. I hope the people who enjoy that have a good time with WAR, but it's personally really disappointing to see what happened to it.

[Atreides]

The only thing that bothers me about WAR in it's current form is Holmgang, when our target dies durring the Holmgang duration the invuln falls off too, while it doesn't really mean anything in boss fights it can go south when using it on Trash.

[Lina_Slayer]

From my perspective 4.2 WAR was the disappointment, the job never recovered for being dumbed down that much.

[Inuk9]

From my perspective 4.2 WAR was the disappointment, the job never recovered for being dumbed down that much.

Good thing Pro warriors players like Xeno disagrees with you