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    if Zodark came out death the Hydralian came for sacrifice to protect that life that Zodark wish to consume and she create life all out protect life it could be also possible that she create aether to create life. this what hydralian is the pole oppsite of Zodark Hydralian create life without realize it but protect that life she creates it a way protect the source and other shard for Zodark in her eye hydralian see action of Zodark as evil so the warrior of light service as Warrior of Darkness of first is necessary action by her design.

    the ascains maybe slain but Zodark can find other tools to use he will problem remain the biggest threat the deaths of ascains won't change that for him

    I kind wonder if they be able gain more warrior of lights on first with the view of those warrior of light seen in the worst lights.

    maybe are ascain foe should lay low for couples expansion tried find recoup his loses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    if Zodark came out death the Hydralian came for sacrifice to protect that life that Zodark wish to consume and she create life all out protect life it could be also possible that she create aether to create life. this what hydralian is the pole oppsite of Zodark Hydralian create life without realize it but protect that life she creates it a way protect the source and other shard for Zodark in her eye hydralian see action of Zodark as evil so the warrior of light service as Warrior of Darkness of first is necessary action by her design.

    Hydaelyn doesn't "create" life, though. She splits existing life into lesser copies containing the diminished aether of the original. While a representation of those that opposed the Ascian's first plans for Zodiark(From what I understand, Using a portion the new life to restore their people vs. Letting the new life flourish at the cost of their race) She is not a "Creator" and does not create aether with her abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    Hydaelyn doesn't "create" life, though. She splits existing life into lesser, diminished copies.
    See, this would have been fine if bloody Zodiark wasn't entwined with the star itself. No idea why they thought summoning a god and then having it so deeply entrenched within the very existence of the world was a good idea. It's like they just summoned a god-like figure then decided, well, it's a god, and gods create worlds - so for your service, we will now have you become part of the star - insert real-life jargon here about god and earth.

    If Zodiark wasn't a part of the star then Hydaelyn's attack of 'sundering' wouldn't have resulted in this. So, all of the life that was on that star including all of the life that was being saved up for harvest was evenly split. This includes all of the life of the Ancients which - let's face it, was far too much.

    Hydaelyn was supposed to give out life equally while Zodiark is the opposite. Billions for millions. Billions for thousands, etc. While with Hydaelyn it's all 'equal'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    See, this would have been fine if bloody Zodiark wasn't entwined with the star itself. No idea why they thought summoning a god and then having it so deeply entrenched within the very existence of the world was a good idea. It's like they just summoned a god-like figure then decided, well, it's a god, and gods create worlds - so for your service, we will now have you become part of the star - insert real-life jargon here about god and earth.

    If Zodiark wasn't a part of the star then Hydaelyn's attack of 'sundering' wouldn't have resulted in this. So, all of the life that was on that star including all of the life that was being saved up for harvest was evenly split. This includes all of the life of the Ancients which - let's face it, was far too much.

    Hydaelyn was supposed to give out life equally while Zodiark is the opposite. Billions for millions. Billions for thousands, etc. While with Hydaelyn it's all 'equal'.
    All speculation but there could be logic to it: They surmised that their calamity was due to the law of magic and the world going out of wack. Seeing it as an issue with the planet, giving the planet a will of its own seems more logical than creating a separate entity, that would then affect the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    See, this would have been fine if bloody Zodiark wasn't entwined with the star itself. No idea why they thought summoning a god and then having it so deeply entrenched within the very existence of the world was a good idea. It's like they just summoned a god-like figure then decided, well, it's a god, and gods create worlds - so for your service, we will now have you become part of the star - insert real-life jargon here about god and earth.

    If Zodiark wasn't a part of the star then Hydaelyn's attack of 'sundering' wouldn't have resulted in this. So, all of the life that was on that star including all of the life that was being saved up for harvest was evenly split. This includes all of the life of the Ancients which - let's face it, was far too much.

    Hydaelyn was supposed to give out life equally while Zodiark is the opposite. Billions for millions. Billions for thousands, etc. While with Hydaelyn it's all 'equal'.

    Summoning "The Keeper of Precepts" as the will of the star was an idea because the Ancients were facing a star ending crisis. Inventors and Aetherologists aren't going to be terribly effective when the laws of physics and magic are falling apart.

    In addition the acts requested of Zodiark were gargantuan. Rewriting the laws governing the star after they broke down in a cataclysmic mess, reseeding said star with life...And these beings are not the Q from Star Trek. It should be expected that such things do not come on the cheap. I don't think any such request of similar measure, save for stopping Zodiark, was made for Hydaelyn, it's probably likely she isn't capable of honoring such requests even if she heard it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    Summoning "The Keeper of Precepts" as the will of the star was an idea because the Ancients were facing a star ending crisis.

    In addition the acts requested of Zodiark were gargantuan. Rewriting the laws governing the star after they broke down in a cataclysmic mess, reseeding said star with life...And these beings are not the Q from Star Trek. It should be expected that such things do not come on the cheap. I don't think any such request of similar measure, save for stopping Zodiark, was made for Hydaelyn, it's probably likely she isn't capable of honoring such requests even if she heard it.
    It's just maddening why they thought doing this in the first place was going to be a good idea. Such desperation they must have been in. I wonder if there's more to it. Who gave them the idea to do what they did? Bah, such speculation gets me excited for the rest of this expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lersayil View Post
    Actually, this does beg the question: where were the Ascians during the many year long development of this superb technology? I doubt it could be kept a secret.

    Also, while a nitpick, we dont really know if the Ironworks reverse engineered time and dimensional travel or just mashed together parts of Omega and Alexander into the Crystal Tower making it all work somehow. All three being technologies out of this world.

    Which then reminds me that Alexander is a weird one. He's a primal, basically made with the same Creation magic Amarotians used. Did they just not imagine time travel back then? Not see it as useful?
    The Ascians were probably occupied with setting up the next rejoining OR they didnt seem to care thinking that these incomplete beings couldnt possibly come up with anything original. Might be a mix of both, considering Emet's demeanor.

    It's also likely that Ironworks did reverse engineer Omega/Alexander/ and CT, as Ironworks was heavily involved in the study of these three. Even then, their creation wasnt perfect. It required someone bind with the CT, and the time jump was off. It's also a one way ticket by appearance, meaning the CT is stuck there now, and now possibly out of the time loop itself (as that future was averted to the best of our knowledge). Mind you, for dimensional and time travel to occur, they needed all three aspects - Wings of time (Alexander), Dimensional Creation (Omega), and a conduit (CT). Emet oversaw CT, but Alexander was a creation of reflections, and Omega is...??????. Im not sure where omega comes from. The story seemed to insinuate that Omega and Midgardsormir came from a completely different star (not a reflection or the source). Which if that is the case, that would make Omega tech hyper advanced, even by amarotonian standards.

    They, btw, probably couldnt visualize Alexander because in many ways their thinking was hyper rigid. Considering the power and scope, they wouldve needed a lot of Amarotians to actually summon Alexander, and their way of thinking probably barred them from doing it effectively. Maybe they thought time travel impossible due to the paradox issue so they didnt attempt it. This is just another indirect example of the reflections surpassing the originals though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    It's just maddening why they thought doing this in the first place was going to be a good idea. Such desperation they must have been in. I wonder if there's more to it. Who gave them the idea to do what they did? Bah, such speculation gets me excited for the rest of this expansion.
    It was desperation but also hubris. They felt if they could give the planet a will, that it would will itself into the proper state of things. It was a reflection of their thinking - that if they could control creation itself, they would create perfection. That obviously didnt work out, as it was their control of creation magic that probably ended up causing the crisis in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    Hydaelyn doesn't "create" life, though. She splits existing life into lesser, diminished copies.
    I think Emet Selchs characterization of Hydaelin is probably biased and incorrect. He's right in the outcome, but not in the reasoning. It may be more apt to say Hydaelyn diversifies life by breaking it down into smaller fragments. Like I mentioned above, some Amarotonians felt there was value in incomplete or counterfiet creations, as it added to diversity. I think that philosophy helped shape Hydaelin and what she's setting out to do. Remember, hydaelyn isnt breaking down life into nothingness. She only went so far.

    It's not even clear if the sundering was a desired outcome, or a side effect of destroying zodiark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    I think Emet Selchs characterization of Hydaelin is probably biased and incorrect. He's right in the outcome, but not in the reasoning. It may be more apt to say Hydaelyn diversifies life by breaking it down into smaller fragments. Like I mentioned above, some Amarotonians felt there was value in incomplete or counterfiet creations, as it added to diversity. I think that philosophy helped shape Hydaelin and what she's setting out to do. Remember, hydaelyn isnt breaking down life into nothingness. She only went so far.

    It's not even clear if the sundering was a desired outcome, or a side effect of destroying zodiark.
    I think this is why she's called 'Mother Crystal' in a sense as well. She is a mother, she gives 'birth' to life. She considers all life to be her children and treats them as such. I think a lot of answers can be found in the song 'Answers' as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWdeMqELN-U
    I close my eyes, tell us why must we suffer
    Release your hands, for your will drags us under
    My legs grow tired, tell us where must we wander
    How can we carry on if redemption's beyond us?
    To all of my children in whom Life flows abundant
    To all of my children to whom Death hath passed his judgement
    The soul yearns for honor, and the flesh the hereafter
    Look to those who walked before to lead those who walk after
    Shining is the Land's light of justice
    Ever flows the Land's well of purpose
    Walk free, walk free, walk free, believe...
    The Land is alive, so believe...
    Suffer (Feel) Promise (Think) Witness (Teach) Reason
    (Hear) Follow (Feel) Wander (Think) Stumble (Teach) Listen
    (Speak) Honor (Speak) Value (Tell) Whisper (Tell) Mention
    (Hope) Ponder (Hope) Warrant (Wish) Cherish (Wish) Welcome
    (Roam) Witness (Roam) Listen (Roam) Suffer (Roam) Sanction
    (Sleep) Weather (Sleep) Wander (Sleep) Answer Sleep on
    Now open your eyes while our plight is repeated
    Still deaf to our cries, lost in hope we lie defeated
    Our souls have been torn, and our bodies forsaken
    Bearing sins of the past, for our future is taken
    War born of strife, these trials persuade us not
    (Feel what? Learn what?)
    Words without sound, these lies betray our thoughts
    (See what? Hear what?)
    Mired by a plague of doubt, the Land, she mourns
    Judgement binds all we hold to a memory of scorn
    Tell us why, given Life, we are meant to die, helpless in our cries?
    Witness (Feel) Suffer (Think) Borrow (Teach) Reason
    (Hear) Follow (Feel) Stumble (Think) Wander (Teach) Listen
    (Blink) Whisper (Blink) Shoulder (Blink) Ponder (Blink) Weather
    (Hear) Answer (Look) Answer (Think) Answer together
    Thy Life is a riddle, to bear rapture and sorrow
    To listen, to suffer, to entrust unto tomorrow
    In one fleeting moment, from the Land doth life flow
    Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow
    In the same fleeting moment
    Thou must live
    Die
    And know
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