Scholar 5.0 Discussion

[Hatstand]

Uh, not to disillusion you, but running any content as Scholar is Biolysis/Broil 2 spam. This isn't going to change in Savage, nor will it change in Ultimate.

Depressing, but not surprising. Reading over the skills I’m due to get leveling up isn’t exactly inspiring at the moment. I hope that SE gets the message that they need to do something to fix this. And that that something will involve giving scholars more non-healing buttons to press. And I hope that we, as players, won’t let them move the goalposts to the point that we’ll praise them for returning just a portion of what they gutted from us (say, just energy drain).

[LariaKirin]

Thing is, it's not THAT versatile, really.

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There's a reason the raw numbers are higher, and it's quite arguable to say that it's because of WHM versatility.

The raw numbers are higher because the raw numbers are higher. They have nothing to do with versatility.

The rest is just olympic level mental gymnastics in an attempt to compare abilities one to one. You're comparing a GCD (Solace) with an OGCD (Lustrate) and saying they're "basically" similar, lol.

First of all, some corrections: WD is not on the GCD, it is an OGCD. Fey Blessing does not cost aetherflow, neither does Aetherpact. They are byproducts of using your Aetherflow stacks.

Versatility means SCH has an answer to everything:
- Need direct heals? Indom, Fey Blessing, Seraph
- Need regen? WD, Soil
- Need mitigation? Shields, Soil, Seraph
All you need to do is look at how SCH heals. Everything SCH uses regularly is on the OGCD, with the exception of Succor.

Not only that, but since Glare is higher potency than Broil III, WHM pays a bigger cost for every GCD used.

Assize does not even count because it's a DPS cooldown. Perhaps they should remove the damage portion of it.

[galbsadi]

Fey Blessing does not cost aetherflow, neither does Aetherpact. They are byproducts of using your Aetherflow stacks.

They require usage of Aetherflow abilities at specific times (in particular when not using Seraph or Dissipation and with the fairy in range and in combat)...unless you have a way to use them without ever using Aetherflow ever, stop being dishonest.

As for the rest of what you said, technically being oGCD doesn't matter when you're limited to 3 Aetherflow/minute and those abilities being for the most part tied to that. There's also a reason that SCH and AST are the most dissatisfied jobs in the game right now, unless you're a special snowflake that just knows more than everybody else.

[LariaKirin]

They require usage of Aetherflow abilities at specific times (in particular when not using Seraph or Dissipation and with the fairy in range and in combat)...unless you have a way to use them without ever using Aetherflow ever, stop being dishonest.

As for the rest of what you said, technically being oGCD doesn't matter when you're limited to 3 Aetherflow/minute and those abilities being for the most part tied to that. There's also a reason that SCH and AST are the most dissatisfied jobs in the game right now, unless you're a special snowflake that just knows more than everybody else.

They require usage of Aetherflow stacks at some point, yes - which you would use anyway, even if you never intended to use the Fairy Gauge abilities - which is why I called them byproducts of using Aetherflow stacks. The rest of your statement is never a problem.

Being OGCD matters a whole lot. Groups that care about optimization solo heal with the SCH and let the WHM spam dps abilities because the SCH kit is more effective, efficient and versatile and does not sacrifice GCDs.

Lastly, SCH players are dissatisfied because we have to use Aetherflow on these healing abilities and there are times where you just have nothing to use them on. The most asked for change right now is something akin to Energy Drain, for the purpose of dumping excess Aetherflow.

[YanderePrincess]

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Having not mained a healer for endgame content since second coil of bahamut, I may just not be understanding things; but wouldn't HPS go down the better the party is due to their being less damage taken that needs to be healed? I'm also unclear on if HPS parsing takes into the calculation the amount of damage prevented by shields. If it doesn't add that into the HPS calculation, wouldn't that mean lower HPS from Scholar because their shields mean less healing required?

[Dyvid]

You know I was thinking today about Eos and Selene. Maybe if SE gave them identity back it would help make the job interesting? Where Eos heals, Selene would do the opposite.

Whisper Dawn <--> Chattering Dusk : Applies a AoE DoT
Fey Illumination <--> Fae Obscure : Debuff that lower the damage dealt by a target
Fey Union <--> Fae Discord : Single Target DoT that uses Fairy Gauge
Fey Blessing <--> Fae Curse : 5% of damage dealt is returned back to target.

[Sloprano]

You know I was thinking today about Eos and Selene. Maybe if SE gave them identity back it would help make the job interesting? Where Eos heals, Selene would do the opposite.

Whisper Dawn <--> Chattering Dusk : Applies a AoE DoT
Fey Illumination <--> Fae Obscure : Debuff that lower the damage dealt by a target
Fey Union <--> Fae Discord : Single Target DoT that uses Fairy Gauge
Fey Blessing <--> Fae Curse : 5% of damage dealt is returned back to target.

That's the kind of thing I'd love to see. I'm more in favor of support skills like the silence and reduced damage from the target, Virus style, on Selene and rather see sch itself get more interesting damage options.

Also had the idea of returning the skills to Eos and Selene's hotbars as they were and make Fey Union a "Dark Arts" that cost Fey Gauge and gave the Fairy skills either augumented, gave additonal or did different effects that the originals.

[Kestlona]

As a scholar main I do miss having two different faeries to choose from, one healed and one did a buff and helped be an extra status remover :3 In other words I miss having the choice of choosing my fairy for the fights my party would be involved in. There were choices and now they just seemed like they were taken away.

The heals are nice, like always our burst heals are lovely but...I don't really like the restriction of having to be in combat or have to heal to activate my aetherflow. Usually I always cast a adlo on the tank before the fight begins, so it's not a big deal ,however, again the freedom restriction seems to weigh heavy. Maybe I'm being a baby about it too, I dunno

I understand that the Dev team wants healers to heal but they shouldn't work so hard to rip out the class roots that made it unique. I'm not saying I hate all the changes to the class it just feels like Scholar got grounded and not allowed to play outside.

At least give us energy drain and bane back those were actually useful. Mp replenish and a dot spreader to save on mp. They're quick and take no time at all away from healing.

p.s
taking away protect and eye for an eye seemed silly, of course we have to heal more if you take away helpful shields

[galbsadi]

Having not mained a healer for endgame content since second coil of bahamut, I may just not be understanding things; but wouldn't HPS go down the better the party is due to their being less damage taken that needs to be healed? I'm also unclear on if HPS parsing takes into the calculation the amount of damage prevented by shields. If it doesn't add that into the HPS calculation, wouldn't that mean lower HPS from Scholar because their shields mean less healing required?

It would, and that's where you'd start to see higher DPS numbers, where SCH is also objectively worse off.

As for shields, I believe those are included in HPS numbers.

[Deceptus]

I'm really getting sick and tired of false fairy tooltips. If they are indeed 2/3 potency, then dammit show them as their ACTUAL potency so we know how to plan accordingly.

And stop with the "Perform Whispering Dawn" tooltips (goes for other jobs too). Detailed tooltips are better.

p.s
taking away protect and eye for an eye seemed silly, of course we have to heal more if you take away helpful shields

They took away Largesse and Convalescence which created great tank / healer synergy, Eye for an Eye which was valuable on trash packs despite it's naysayers (yeah it sucked in ex's / savages but so did other abilities)

And protect did more than they admit. Yes it mainly affected tanks, but it was 10% less aoe damage healers had to heal.

The SE dev's basically said, "We want you to heal, and we're taking away all the smart tools that give you breathing room and we're capping your mana".