Something about the new Ascian lore

[TankHunter678]

It was said that the sound was "distorting all living things within earshot and also wrested control of their creation magicks". They weren't in control anymore. The chance of something like that happening again ? We can't really know for sure since we don't even know what was the source of this sound, but wasn't it stopped by the summoning of Zodiark ? Then he probably acts as a fail safe against that, even then they probably would have try to take measure to avoid such a thing to happen again.
I don't see any needless sacrifice with what they were going to do.
Emet explains that if Hydaelyn strikes you, it creates a clone in appearance but everything else is halved, are you still you then ? No, you are not, the Real Original You is no more, I equate that to killing yes.

Except there was nothing to stop the original cause of the calamity from happening again. The very foundations of reality was breaking down, and that is not a natural occurrence unless something was damaging reality all this time. Which there was only one possible cause in that regard: The very creation magics they relied on and constantly used every day of their life by potentially billions of people.

Which would mean that while Zodiark used the vast amounts of creation magic he was summoned with to repair reality, if they continued to have him use creation magic on that scale then the calamity would repeat itself in short order. Faster with all the people brought back using their creation magic all the time as they tried to rebuild their lives. Leading to them again having to sacrifice half their population to repair the reality they were actively accidentally destroying ad creating a cycle of sacrifice until their souls were so degraded that it makes Hydaelyn splitting everyone the far more merciful and future granting method.

[Tharne]

Except there was nothing to stop the original cause of the calamity from happening again. The very foundations of reality was breaking down, and that is not a natural occurrence unless something was damaging reality all this time. Which there was only one possible cause in that regard: The very creation magics they relied on and constantly used every day of their life by potentially billions of people.

Which would mean that while Zodiark used the vast amounts of creation magic he was summoned with to repair reality, if they continued to have him use creation magic on that scale then the calamity would repeat itself in short order. Faster with all the people brought back using their creation magic all the time as they tried to rebuild their lives. Leading to them again having to sacrifice half their population to repair the reality they were actively accidentally destroying ad creating a cycle of sacrifice until their souls were so degraded that it makes Hydaelyn splitting everyone the far more merciful and future granting method.

That's a complete speculation on a lot of people's part that their use of creation magic caused the sound. We have no proof of that.

[TankHunter678]

That's a complete speculation on a lot of people's part that their use of creation magic caused the sound. We have no proof of that.

Aside from the fact that when they are using their creation magic even the slightest lapse in concentration leads to a completely different result. If they were trying to use their creation magic to solve an issue caused by someone else's mistake in concentration then what should have been a fix for what should of been a playful toy for children becomes a monstrosity that inspires fear leading to the creation magic of those trying to contain it creating more monsters as the fear breaks their concentration and their fear is manifested instead of the containment they intended.

Its very easy for a cascade effect to be started with such easy to use unchecked unlimited creation capabilities. If the creation magic itself is also damaging reality due to how it works then the cascading problem becomes worse. Not to mention that rumormongering causing fear could lead to what should of been a isolated problem in some far off city state becoming real right outside your door from errant thoughts cropping up during the regular use of creation magic.

[Tharne]

Aside from the fact that when they are using their creation magic even the slightest lapse in concentration leads to a completely different result. If they were trying to use their creation magic to solve an issue caused by someone else's mistake in concentration then what should have been a fix for what should of been a playful toy for children becomes a monstrosity that inspires fear leading to the creation magic of those trying to contain it creating more monsters as the fear breaks their concentration and their fear is manifested instead of the containment they intended.

Its very easy for a cascade effect to be started with such easy to use unchecked unlimited creation capabilities. If the creation magic itself is also damaging reality due to how it works then the cascading problem becomes worse. Not to mention that rumormongering causing fear could lead to what should of been a isolated problem in some far off city state becoming real right outside your door from errant thoughts cropping up during the regular use of creation magic.

They are born with the ability to use creation magick, they chose when to create something, you don't lose control of your legs all of a sudden and I'm pretty sure they had experience with children learning to use those powers and weird stuff happening from time to time, it's not like they're new at this.
And also if they are born with it, what kind of a sick joke is it if they can't use something natural to them ? 'Sorry fam, you're breathing to much, I have decided to cause a Calamity.' - The Planet. (Y'shtola even said that because they have a huge amount of aether their creation magick doesn't affect the aether from the land)
The Sound was affecting creatures already alive and transforming them, that's not their creation magick's doing, and it wrested control of their abitily to use their magick, they weren't in command anymore.

[Daralii]

They are born with the ability to use creation magick, they chose when to create something, you don't lose control of your legs all of a sudden and I'm pretty sure they had experience with children learning to use those powers and weird stuff happening from time to time, it's not like they're new at this.
And also if they are born with it, what kind of a sick joke is it if they can't use something natural to them ? 'Sorry fam, you're breathing to much, I have decided to cause a Calamity.' - The Planet. (Y'shtola even said that because they have a huge amount of aether their creation magick doesn't affect the aether from the land)
The Sound was affecting creatures already alive and transforming them, that's not their creation magick's doing, and it wrested control of their abitily to use their magick, they weren't in command anymore.

During the sidequest about their views on nonconformity, the one you're first sent to talk to mentions that even the slightest distraction during the creation process can alter the results. They were creating robes, they noticed a group of children running by, and as a result they got a bunch of child-sized robes that they had to desynthesize. If an attempt at a large-scale concept went wrong and created a cacophony from underground, any ongoing creation within the entire city could be radically altered by fear, and that fear could spread like a pandemic.

[Tharne]

During the sidequest about their views on nonconformity, the one you're first sent to talk to mentions that even the slightest distraction during the creation process can alter the results. They were creating robes, they noticed a group of children running by, and as a result they got a bunch of child-sized robes that they had to desynthesize. If an attempt at a large-scale concept went wrong and created a cacophony from underground, any ongoing creation within the entire city could be radically altered by fear, and that fear could spread like a pandemic.

Their magick is creation not alteration that's why that dude can't just change the clothes he just failed to create the way he saw it. The living creatures were also affected and being distorted. Their magic can't do that, ergo it was something else.

You all just seemed to want to pin the blame on them for I don't know what reason. ("The Ascians are the bad guys, of course the downfall of their civilization was of their own doing.")

The only wrong people I see in this story are the one that decided to summon Hydaelyn.
(And no, I don't think we are one of them. We are the 14th, but the same way we didn't want to summon Zodiark, we probably didn't want to summon Hydaelyn.)

[Daralii]

Their magick is creation not alteration that's why that dude can't just change the clothes he just failed to create the way he saw it. The living creatures were also affected and being distorted. Their magic can't do that, ergo it was something else.

You all just seemed to want to pin the blame on them for I don't know what reason. ("The Ascians are the bad guys, of course the downfall of their civilization was of their own doing.")

The only wrong people I see in this story are the one that decided to summon Hydaelyn.
(And no, I don't think we are one of them. We are the 14th, but the same way we didn't want to summon Zodiark, we probably didn't want to summon Hydaelyn.)

But the same sidequest also had the clerk transmute a living creature into a crystal which we were then supposed to use creation magic on to create a robe. Between that, all the other information in the city, and the fact that the last area of the dungeon is named something to the effect of "but in the end, it was our sins that doomed us", yes I'm willing to say that the Ancients(not just those that would survive the Sundering and become Ascians) caused it.

[TankHunter678]

Their magick is creation not alteration that's why that dude can't just change the clothes he just failed to create the way he saw it. The living creatures were also affected and being distorted. Their magic can't do that, ergo it was something else.

You all just seemed to want to pin the blame on them for I don't know what reason. ("The Ascians are the bad guys, of course the downfall of their civilization was of their own doing.")

The only wrong people I see in this story are the one that decided to summon Hydaelyn.
(And no, I don't think we are one of them. We are the 14th, but the same way we didn't want to summon Zodiark, we probably didn't want to summon Hydaelyn.)

They did have alteration as part of their abilities, was part of the very same quest as the one you were told that even the slightest distractions or errant thought alters the results. In case you forgot we literally put a living creature in a bag and handed it to the guy who was to give us the robe concept who promptly turned it into a crystal with the robes concept included for you to make your robes.

Which outright debunks your assertion they did not have alteration.

The Ascians are the bad guys because they are going against the very wishes of their own people who wanted to keep moving forward instead of stagnating and sticking to the past. This point of view was actively shown in side quests. The very same kind of people who probably summoned Hydaelyn because others wanted to use Zodiark to shackle everyone to being obedient tempered drones of Zodiark and to the past, instead of trying to look to the future in a post calamity world.

[Sakei]

Their magick is creation not alteration that's why that dude can't just change the clothes he just failed to create the way he saw it. The living creatures were also affected and being distorted. Their magic can't do that, ergo it was something else.

You all just seemed to want to pin the blame on them for I don't know what reason. ("The Ascians are the bad guys, of course the downfall of their civilization was of their own doing.")

The only wrong people I see in this story are the one that decided to summon Hydaelyn.
(And no, I don't think we are one of them. We are the 14th, but the same way we didn't want to summon Zodiark, we probably didn't want to summon Hydaelyn.)

Emet-selch also mentions that they were creating their own destruction, though. As things started to get really bad, and is portrayed in the final dungeon, he mentions that their fears started to create the monstrosities he was attacking us with. Their own fears led to more monsters being created. Hydaelyn being summoned is really the only way to stop the followers of Zodiark. They sacrificed half their numbers, then half more, then wanted to sacrifice more in order to return some that had been sacrificed before. They were already gone. At what point do you start to let go of the past? Hydaelyn was the only option to prevent a possibly never-ending wave of death.

[Kallera]

Hydaelyn’s sole purpose in summoning was to counter Zodiark and be a check on His power. If Zodiark were to completely perish, putting aside any ill effects that would happen from His demise, Hydaelyn would have no further purpose to Her continued presence.