Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[wereotter]

Viera females are Victoria's secret model sized warriors and they are powerful and deadly.

player base: I accept this!

other members of the player base: Maybe the men can be equally thin and a little smaller. It is a female run society so having the females be the muscle could be cute.

player base: no!!!! that doesn't make sense?! How can they be fierce warriors with out GIANT MUSCLES!!!! Kill who ever dare say that!!

Please don't rage.....I am only joking and trying to have fun with the situation.

I'm not really buying this concept that it's a female-run society if men aren't even a part in the villages or society. If anything the viera live in separate but mutually beneficial societies. The men aren't told what to do or ruled by the women of the villages since they don't live in them. And if they're off living on their own, it makes more sense that the men are athletic and powerful, something you'd need to be if you're expected to survive on your own in the wild. Being small and diminutive would make sense only if the males are subject to the women in the villages. Or at least that's they way I would see it.

[Gwenorai]

I'm not really buying this concept that it's a female-run society if men aren't even a part in the villages or society. If anything the viera live in separate but mutually beneficial societies. The men aren't told what to do or ruled by the women of the villages since they don't live in them. And if they're off living on their own, it makes more sense that the men are athletic and powerful, something you'd need to be if you're expected to survive on your own in the wild. Being small and diminutive would make sense only if the males are subject to the women in the villages. Or at least that's they way I would see it.

Yeah, haha - like I know he's supposedly joking but from what I read in the lore. Yes, a woman is in control - and the spirit is a female. But it's the men who take up the mantle of protecting the village, or rather they're forced to do it. They are not even part of the village or society. They are outside of it, satellites that basically that go from village to village, or rather 'around' them. While females in the wood are stuck to one village, the males are not.

From what I gather the only person in control of the males is the wood spirit they worship, not the matriarch.

Viera females are Victoria's secret model sized warriors and they are powerful and deadly.

player base: I accept this!

other members of the player base: Maybe the men can be equally thin and a little smaller. It is a female run society so having the females be the muscle could be cute.

player base: no!!!! that doesn't make sense?! How can they be fierce warriors with out GIANT MUSCLES!!!! Kill who ever dare say that!!

Please don't rage.....I am only joking and trying to have fun with the situation.

Also, this made me groan hard 'female run society so having the females be the muscle could be cute' - ScreaminggggGggGgGGG
Then the muscle should be doing forced bodyguard duty, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I know it's a joke but omg i hate it, how dare u
this going to keep me up at night

[Senn]

This got me thinking - how many children do male viera mentor? They come down to the village and take the male children who are of age. What age is that? Around 10-13 or something?
While the male viera are out and about, they also need to mentor the children, as well as take care of them. I'm going to guess male viera have more than just hunting and defending the wood to deal with. We assume all male viera do is defend the wood, but there seems to be more to it than that. They teach and care for the young ones, too. Depending how many children they take under their wing, it almost seems like a lot of babysitting.

[Gwenorai]

This got me thinking - how many children do male viera mentor? They come down to the village and take the male children who are of age. What age is that? Around 10-13 or something?
While the male viera are out and about, they also need to mentor the children, as well as take care of them. I'm going to guess male viera have more than just hunting and defending the wood to deal with. We assume all male viera do is defend the wood, but there seems to be more to it than that. They teach and care for the young ones, too. Depending how many children they take under their wing, it almost seems like a lot of babysitting.

Considering that most of those children end up dying; well - it makes me wonder how much watching they do. Or do they just go 'go hunt for food if you don't succeed, you starve.' or 'Go survive a few days on your own, if you can't - well, you're dead.' Do they actually bond with their charges? Are they cold and distant as they know that most of them will perish? The more I think about it the more I think they're ice kings who are extremely distant. And if they are caring and the likes... god bless them for having to go through that multiple of times - and perhaps even with their own sons and not just running away from it all.

Something something, Piccolo training with Gohan but much worse.

[Senn]

Considering that most of those children end up dying; well - it makes me wonder how much watching they do. Or do they just go 'go do this, if you don't you die'. Do they actually bond with their charges? Are they cold and distant as they know that most of them will perish? The more I think about it the more I think they're ice kings who are extremely distant.

Something something, Piccolo training with Gohan but much worse.

Do you have a source for where it says most of the children end up dying? I just wanna see that for myself.

These are some questions I wonder about, too. Is there any bonding, or is it like Piccolo training? How many children are the male viera mentoring? Do they even have shelter? Is there any real care for the kid's well-being, or are they told to just go out and try to survive. If it turns out the adult male viera is attentive and does carefully take care of the kids, then it must seem like one big daycare. Or is it more like a cold and distant relationship?

[Gwenorai]

Do you have a source for where it says most of the children end up dying? I just wanna see that for myself.

These are some questions I wonder about, too. Is there any bonding, or is it like Piccolo training? How many children are the male viera mentoring? Do they even have shelter? Is there any real care for the kid's well-being, or are they told to just go out and try to survive. If it turns out the adult male viera is attentive and does carefully take care of the kids, then it must seem like one big daycare. Or is it more like a cold and distant relationship?

When it is revealed that a Viera kit is a male, it will be given into the care of another, that it may learn the ways of the Wood-warder─protectors of the forest. Once every three to five summers, male Viera will descend from the trees to a nearby village to mate. It is at this time, if there are any recently discovered jacks still living amongst the females, that the older male will make them his wards and teach them how to survive without the crutch of companionship.

Only following countless seasons of training and strict adherence to the Word of the Wood will the students themselves earn the title of master, and be allowed to seek solitude. More than few will perish during this brutal rite of passage, further thinning the tribe’s males, until only those with the strongest seed remain.
- Wandering Dramaturge

Yeah, the males have it extremely rough. I'm betting it's extremely cold and distant. You would have to be to keep doing this. You need a strong mentality.

[Senn]

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A rite of passage... so it's like Naruto's chunin exams? lol

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Hmm ok after rereading it, here is what I understand

"Only following countless seasons of training and strict adherence to the Word of the Wood will the students themselves earn the title of master, and be allowed to seek solitude. More than few will perish during this brutal rite of passage, further thinning the tribe’s males, until only those with the strongest seed remain. "

It seems like the males live together only until they successful complete the rite of passage. So they do this rite together. After they become a master, they are allowed to seek solitude. So... do they have the option of not seeking solitude then?

It'd be a great way to justify them being playable if they collectively decide to say 'screw it' to the status quo, especially if they find out that quite a few viera women are abandoning their duties to go off adventuring.

I would not be surprised if some of the men, even the children, decided to abandon their duties. Of course, if they did that, the female viera who do adhere to the word of the wood would have no interest in them.
Still, just like there are some female viera who decide to become adventurer's, it wouldn't be surprising for some of the men to do the same.

[Averax]

This got me thinking - how many children do male viera mentor? They come down to the village and take the male children who are of age. What age is that? Around 10-13 or something?
While the male viera are out and about, they also need to mentor the children, as well as take care of them. I'm going to guess male viera have more than just hunting and defending the wood to deal with. We assume all male viera do is defend the wood, but there seems to be more to it than that. They teach and care for the young ones, too. Depending how many children they take under their wing, it almost seems like a lot of babysitting.

Viera don't procreate often, likely due to their longevity. (we learn that they can live at least 3 times as long as elezen can somewhere along the MSQ, and elezen can live up to 200 years iirc). So babysitting is probably not a huge part of their job.

Viera men stick together and defend the borders of their homelands from beasts and people alike, only rarely coming back into the female settlements for either trade or procreation. It's a rather time consuming gig, i gather. Their lore is a slightly more intense version of the Keeper of the Moon Miqo'te males.

[Allegor]

Viera don't procreate often, likely due to their longevity. (we learn that they can live at least 3 times as long as elezen can somewhere along the MSQ, and elezen can live up to 200 years iirc). So babysitting is probably not a huge part of their job.

Viera men stick together and defend the borders of their homelands from beasts and people alike, only rarely coming back into the female settlements for either trade or procreation. It's a rather time consuming gig, i gather. Their lore is a slightly more intense version of the Keeper of the Moon Miqo'te males.

"Once every three to five summers, male Viera will descend from the trees to a nearby village to mate"

"1 of every 10 is born male"

"More than few will perish during this brutal rite of passage, further thinning the tribe’s males"

Every 3-5 years is ridiculously often for a race that lives as long, so either they mate but no baby comes out, or the mortality rate of both male and female is depressingly high enough to balance it out - and since there are few males to begin with, only a few Viera will give birth (unless they go the Seeker route where a single male has fun with an entire village)

[dustdjinn]

"Once every three to five summers, male Viera will descend from the trees to a nearby village to mate"

"1 of every 10 is born male"

"More than few will perish during this brutal rite of passage, further thinning the tribe’s males"

Every 3-5 years is ridiculously often for a race that lives as long, so either they mate but no baby comes out, or the mortality rate of both male and female is depressingly high enough to balance it out - and since there are few males to begin with, only a few Viera will give birth (unless they go the Seeker route where a single male has fun with an entire village)

It's got to be good enough for an ENTIRE race of ladies to be like......I can wait 3 to 5 YEARS to do this again.