5.0 Crafting Changes

[Plastics]

What we can get is irrelevant. The point is efficiency, which means not wasting time on unnecessary steps.

It's not irrelevant. There are virtually no cases where brow would still be useful, even as spec, including optimized short rotations.

[StouterTaru]

It's not irrelevant. There are virtually no cases where brow would still be useful, even as spec, including optimized short rotations.

• Miracle Brow rotation for high end crafts. Full IQ Byr Miracle drops you to IQ6, where Blessing and Brow were equal potency, Brow was 6 CP less, and Brow didn't require SH for 100% success on specialist
• Macros for specialist stuff around your level, saving a line by only needing 1 SH
• Macro protection against Poor condition Blessing (in 3.x, killed in 4.0)

[Nixxe]

It's not irrelevant. There are virtually no cases where brow would still be useful, even as spec, including optimized short rotations.

So there are a non-zero number of benefits to Brow being in the game and zero benefits to removing Brow. Thanks for making my case for me.

[Plastics]

• Miracle Brow rotation for high end crafts. Full IQ Byr Miracle drops you to IQ6, where Blessing and Brow were equal potency, Brow was 6 CP less, and Brow didn't require SH for 100% success on specialist
• Macros for specialist stuff around your level, saving a line by only needing 1 SH
• Macro protection against Poor condition Blessing (in 3.x, killed in 4.0)

1. We gain stacks so efficiently and quickly now that the rotation that will be used is Miracle Blessing if the difficulty is high enough. Try the new abilities, IQ 6 is irrelevant today, we're not in SB or HW.
2. The current short rotations and the current meta with the control cap means you will *always* use Blessing. When you get short enough to think Brow would be useful, you're better off doing it without IQ at all, which is a better strategy given we have new abilities. Again, we have new abilities for irrelevant easy shit that make Brow completely redundant. Try them out.
3. Nobody actually does this, and it can be done without Brow.

So there are a non-zero number of benefits to Brow being in the game and zero benefits to removing Brow. Thanks for making my case for me.

Both of these make massive assumptions, while denying entirely the fact that Brow has zero relevant use right now. The only use it had in the game was rarely in leveling (e.g. very bad strategies around RNG and using Brow if you fail too much, so a handicap for people who don't don't matter) and master crafts. It's completely useless in master crafts now, and it isn't even close to actually useful for leveling. Keeping it would've had no benefit. We don't know what kind of maintenance cost is involved or internal testing SE did that made them want to remove it, but they did, so this assumption is bad. There was a benefit, that's why they did it.

What it sounds like, mainly, is you're crying your old macros don't work anymore and you'll need to do something different. That's pretty sad, don't be so garbage at crafting.

[StouterTaru]

1. We gain stacks so efficiently and quickly now that the rotation that will be used is Miracle Blessing if the difficulty is high enough. Try the new abilities, IQ 6 is irrelevant today, we're not in SB or HW.
2. The current short rotations and the current meta with the control cap means you will *always* use Blessing. When you get short enough to think Brow would be useful, you're better off doing it without IQ at all, which is a better strategy given we have new abilities. Again, we have new abilities for irrelevant easy shit that make Brow completely redundant. Try them out.
3. Nobody actually does this, and it can be done without Brow.

1. You don't seem to understand Byregot's Miracle.
2. IQ > SH2 > WN > 4x Prepatory Touch > GS > Blessing needs a 2nd SH
   Do that on a recipe around your level, and show me a comparable way to get the same quality without IQ.
3. Nobody actually does it because it only existed during 3.x, when Brow required Good/Excellent condition.

[Nixxe]

Both of these make massive assumptions, while denying entirely the fact that Brow has zero relevant use right now.

You already conceded the point that Brow is better than Blessing in at least some situations, even if you don't personally feel those situations are important. You're too caught up in trying to defend SE's decision to realize what an asinine argument you're putting forward against an utterly innocuous criticism of a design decision. By your own admission, you don't even understand why they changed it; you simply assume that because they changed it they must have had a good reason, thus it's a good change. This is an obvious example of begging the question. Furthermore, having failed to silence the criticism, you're now trying to twist this to make it a personal attack against me. This really isn't a productive use of my time, and I would encourage you to take a break to learn how to discuss things constructively.