Normal dungeons are utterly trivial, especially now with TP removal

[Nora_of_Mira]

With the removal of TP every dungeon is now a speed run, only limited by the amount of healer + tank CDs available for chaining trash pulls.

It was that way before the TP removal, but now even the lowest common denominator player is able to constantly AoE on a TP class.

In this new world so to speak having a MP class in your party is a drawback due to:

1. Cast time due to turret mage design of every MP class, which doesn't do well in a constant chaining of groups + movement
2. MP costs, which for some reason every MP class still has to pay for AoE damage

having leveled GNB to 70 by spamming dungeons, I cannot be happier with this TP removal/dungeon redundancy. The one place AoE shines, dungeons, can all be cleared in 10-15 mins by becoming a human Beyblade. Absolutely love it. It's made dungeons more fun for me from what used to be unbearable.

[Doozer]

having leveled GNB to 70 by spamming dungeons, I cannot be happier with this TP removal/dungeon redundancy. The one place AoE shines, dungeons, can all be cleared in 10-15 mins by becoming a human Beyblade. Absolutely love it. It's made dungeons more fun for me from what used to be unbearable.

I also agree with this. I leveled GNB to 70 the same way (plus some other roulettes), and being able to AoE to keep aggro while also doing decent damage is way more fun than what we were able to do before as tanks in dungeons.

[CorbinDallas]

Too much complaining about trivial stuff in these forums. So sad.

It's all from the same OP too, funnily enough. I've taken to seeing who posts things now only to roll my eyes and move along.

[MistakeNot]

I know they were trivial, but you were still limited by the TP costs of your AoEs, thus smaller pulls in general, and even with the now removed TP-gain abilities you were still running dry rather quickly.

Not really. TP was never much of a limitation. If you spammed your AoE abilities constantly you would run of out TP after a while, true, but there was never much need to do that. Switching between AoE skills and single-target skills did not make the dungeons any harder than they are now, just made them take a few seconds longer to run.

In low-level dungeons the main limitation for really big pulls was the lack of low-level AoE attacks on many classes.

Pulling everything did not become easier due to TP removal - just a tiny bit quicker.

[Videra]

As they should be. Nobody wants to be in Tam-Tara for longer than they need to be.

[Awha]

Sastasha was already fast before, but now you can chain-pull 3+ groups and burn bosses down with ease.

Hasn't that been the norm long before ShB? I started playing at the tail end of HW, and as a fresh tank the expectation was to pull to each boss if the group had the AoE. Or at the very least that is how groups mentioned the expectation of a tank was at that level. Granted, this was during window waiting on SB, but yeah for me and I think many players this style of play is the norm for older dungeons. I think SE just came to terms with that and simply made it easier to be done without less worry.

[Johaandr]

Too much complaining about trivial stuff in these forums. So sad.

Ppl liking this comment. So sad.

[PurplePickle]

Yea as a warrior I love the fact I can now spam aoe it's so much better

[kidalutz]

With the removal of TP every dungeon is now a speed run, only limited by the amount of healer + tank CDs available for chaining trash pulls.

It was that way before the TP removal, but now even the lowest common denominator player is able to constantly AoE on a TP class.

In this new world so to speak having a MP class in your party is a drawback due to:

1. Cast time due to turret mage design of every MP class, which doesn't do well in a constant chaining of groups + movement
2. MP costs, which for some reason every MP class still has to pay for AoE damage

Can we just once go one day without pissing and moaning about every single little trivial thing that happens please?

[Kaethra]

The newer dungeons trash has more hp, also no no classes can also limitlessly aoe. What’s the difference in using an aoe combo and st combo?

I mean.. my Freeze, Fire 3, Flare, Flare combo can be done endlessly. But BLM never used TP except for Sprint at one time. But I fail to see the OP's point about TP gone making things easy. The reason earlier dungeons are easy is because potency was increased across the board for tanks and DPS.

As far as to the comment someone made (was it the OP?) about Sastasha being 3-4 pullable.. it always has. Nothing has changed in difficulty. Time spent =/= difficulty. Sorry OP, but if I can kill 10 boars, that means I can kill 100, or 1000, or 1,000,000. Taking extra time to do something doesn't make it harder.