Normal dungeons are utterly trivial, especially now with TP removal

[Melichoir]

This is a non issue.

For starters, Im gonna hazard that caster AoE probably does more damage compared to melee potency (which requires a combo typically, outside of oGCD which either have long CDs or cost mana). IIRC, potencies are not 1:1 across classes. An 800 damage potency on a BLM is not gonna be the same as MNK.

Furthermore, if the end result remains unchanged, and there is 0 impact on gameplay, then this complaint is pointless. In the rare occassions where you run out of mana, that AoE pull mustve gone on way to long to encounter that.

It's a non issue and assumes that the devs are so incompetent about balance that they cant see something so clearly as Casters still expend mana while melee dont without balancing for that aspect.

[Millybonk]

Constant complaining about trivial stuff is worse.

I do enjoy watching your kind in action: No intention to contribute, not a single argument, and yet you felt compelled to post.

What's your argument again?

[Vercinotrix]

It's not really a drawback though. BLM has MP regeneration and dump as a core mechanic of its gameplay. And summoner still btfos most classes on aoe I assume with spread dots deathflare and insta summon egi enkindles. Haven't played SMN though, so I could be wrong.

The only job I can somewhat agree on is RDM. MP costs feel way to high for the damage buttons, though it does have good mobility for a caster with dual cast.


BLM has also always been a struggle to play on new content but once you've memorized the fight to a T BLM is super rewarding.

And you're right that it didn't change much with wall to wall pulls, but it just changed the dps check from "Can we kill these mobs before we run out of TP?" to "Can we kill this before the tank dies?"

Both answers were and are usually yes.

Too much complaining about trivial stuff in these forums. So sad.

Go home Carlos.

[Ralts]

I do enjoy watching your kind in action: No intention to contribute, not a single argument, and yet you felt compelled to post.

What's your argument again?

I've nothing to argue. I just normally check in to read on any new stuff that I might've missed in-game, but that constant bickering of yours is what i'm often faced with.

[Andevom]

I absolutely love the changes. It's not like fighting trash mobs was challenging prior to this, just time consuming due to TP limitations.

[Bacent]

The only job I can somewhat agree on is RDM. MP costs feel way to high for the damage buttons, though it does have good mobility for a caster with dual cast.

Actually I got Rdm to 80, and the only MP issues is if you have to cure/raise a lot, otherwise popping Lucid when it's on cooldown and there's no MP issues.

[Eli85]

Here is the reality: normal dungeons were always trivial. TP removal didn't make it more trivial, because it already was trivial. Unless you're running with absolutely hopeless people, that is.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I absolutely love the changes. It's not like fighting trash mobs was challenging prior to this, just time consuming due to TP limitations.

This. It was objectively worse to do dungeons with melee because of tp limitations making the 2nd large pull slower due to tp restoring skills being on CD after the first pull. SAM was out of tp very quickly, while mages could keep going.

The new changes just balanced that out.

[Vercinotrix]

Actually I got Rdm to 80, and the only MP issues is if you have to cure/raise a lot, otherwise popping Lucid when it's on cooldown and there's no MP issues.

Yeah I didn't really experiment long to be fair. I hit a dummy for like 3 minutes saw my MP and thought it seemed off compared to SB then went back to AST to level.

[Millybonk]

I've nothing to argue. I just normally check in to read on any new stuff that I might've missed in-game, but that constant bickering of yours is what i'm often faced with.

If you have nothing to argue why are you even in here, if, as you claim, "You're faced with my constant bickering"?

Highly illogical to go to the thread and post, right?