NIN is undertuned.

[Laur1x]

I'm glad there are others who feel the same way. I heard the JP forums have the same complains for NIN.

It's very frustrating talking to people about this, especially on reddit. No one wants us buffed, because they don't want a NIN meta. The excuse is always, "you have TA, you deserve bad damage". Very frustrating. I'm not asking for anywhere near SAM/BLM damage, I just don't want to be nearly 2K behind everyone (except DNC).

Overall, my biggest complaint would be Bunshin being extremely overwhelming, and how are new ST-Mudra wasn't off Fuma, but Hyoton.

[Warlyx]

my main complain is that we changed TCJ for Bunshin lol , every other TA u have to be ready for bunshin (mug gives ninki and has the same recast as bunshin , so u need to save 40 ninki in advance for mug > bunshin on that TA window)

the opener is madness :P ...and the whole gameplay is like a house of cards , if u fail when building it the whole thing goes down.....and Nin dps isnt that good to begin with...

the recovery is hard , dying or a mistake on rotation and there u go...

so in the end nin is fun , but doesnt feel rewarding

[Katie_Kitty]

Considering ninja has a guaranteed spot in every group WTF are you complaining about? Ninja is fine.

[KaiSunstrider]

Considering ninja has a guaranteed spot in every group WTF are you complaining about? Ninja is fine.

With the removal of TP and many synergy skills, most jobs have to stand on their own now. The only thing that makes NiN stand apart from other is their synergy through trick attack. Problem is that NIN is like 2-3kdps behind other jobs and trick attack only adds about 1k raid dps which puts NIN total contribution still 1-2k dps behind other melee jobs when considering total contribution including raid buffs. DNC is in same boat.

[Elizar_Naki]

It should also be noted (if it hasn't been already) that while everyone lost their Enhanced (Main Stat) traits, NIN also lost Dripping Blades, whereas Maim and Mend on RDM/healers and Increased Action Damage on ranged physical types are still there. Restoring the Dripping Blades traits likely wouldn't solve the problem completely, but it would be a step in the right direction. If our contribution from TA isn't going to make up for the gap in personal dps (and other people's math has already shown that it doesn't), then one or the other needs to be increased, and boosting our personal dps seems more in line with SE's current "less synergy" philosophy.

[BigBossCL]

Considering ninja has a guaranteed spot in every group WTF are you complaining about? Ninja is fine.

Had. The current damage output of a Ninja is so low, that even with trick attack you're better off taking another melee dps, fullstop.

[VirusChris]

I thought something was off with NIN. I did get NIN to level 80 and slowly getting the better gear, but I was shocked and mad they removed Dripping Blades which was a passive damage boost. It felt like my NIN still did the same damage at level 70 and even with my critical doing over 20 - 30k sometimes, if felt like my damage output barely improved even with TA on my foe.

Then when I swapped to playing my DRK which is level 76 and wearing level 70 - 75 gear I noticed my DRK was doing very close to the same level of damage as my capped NIN and when I saw that I thought "Why is my DRK, a Tank, doing almost the same as my NIN, a DPS, at a lower level".

Honestly Dripping Blades should've have been removed. I love NIN and it will be my main despite the indirect nerfs as I love Dual-Wielding Swords, but I do want my NIN to be fixed. It's not bad, but it's not that good either way. I should've have to have best gear with melded Materia to have "average" DPS level to help in fights.

I agree what @cwild was saying early. Do some of those changes and NIN would be in a better spot to be in. Also Samurai and Monk need help too. Seriously... what did SE do to the DPS in the ShB expansion?

[Warlyx]

while other jobs are on autopilot , im going on an airplane on manual mode with some many buttons that u need to click so u dont "crash" on dmg ...just to keep u in the air....with a broken wing lol

[Raginroxas]

I agree that Ninja feels a bit off. Ninja is still very fun to play and we still have Trick Attack (For some reason), but our damage is very subpar especially at lower levels. With the removal of dripping blades and Slashing debuff, Fuma is no longer viable meaning we have to clip with Raiton or the Ice Throwing star which effects overall DPS. Also maybe its just me, but I don't really like the change to Assassinate. Making it a skill that can only be used after achieving Assassinate ready with Dream Within a Dream feels kind of clunky imo. The damage for Assassinate also doesn't seem all that much bigger that Dream Within a Dream (Maybe its just me, but I feel it should be a bit higher) Our overall DPS is close with Dancer, but Dancer brings way more to the table than we do with all their extra utility skills.

[VirusChris]

Yeah... why they put Assassinate behind DwAD is weird. Like I have no other moves I can make work? Like use Suiton to have Assassinate ready and Trick Attack would be nice or have it tied to another skill. As much as I dislike waiting until 20% of an enemy's health left, I still could use Assassinate at anytime.

Now I have to use it after a certain skill and said skill is a high level one so I can't use Assassinate anymore in the lower level dungeons.