Giving back scholar dps skills?

[EtriganAegis]

As a Scholar Main, I'm trying my hardest to continue loving scholar but the truth is that because of the removal of many of the skills we used to have, Scholar feels cumbersome. What brought me to scholar was that It was a healing class that starts off as a DPS. As a scholar, you still inherited many of the skills that make Arcanist so much fun. I used to use Energy drain in between heals to help recover MP and the use of bane to help with damage was something that was very important. I hope they bring these skills back to the job. SE seriously screwed this one up.

[Lagomorph]

I don't ignore it's MP cost. But when comparing to Miasma II, people seem to ignore Miasma II's MP cost:

AoW is 800 MP out of 10000 => 8% of your MP pool
MiasmaII was 1680 out of ~18000 (in 4.5 bis) => 9.3% of your MP pool

It is better in every way, except for a few rare scenarios.

I really don't think that these scenarios are as rare as you think that they are. If I'm spamming misama 2, it's effectively 125 per cast, because it will always do 100 base damage plus extending the dot by 1 tick (25 potency). If I'm using just 1 gcd between each miasma 2, I am at least equal to art of war. This means that at 2-4 targets miasma 2 is actually better than art of war, because at that number of targets you would want to be rotating biolysis on enemies. Even then, this is just from a pure dps standpoint. At 5 or more targets, if I have to do more than 2 gcd heals between each cast of miasma 2 or art of war, then miasma 2 becomes the superior option. Further, like I said earlier, if you run low on MP, miasma 2 is quite a bit more potency per mp than art of war is. But anyways, I only mentioned all of this because you wanted to talk about efficiency/potency so badly. I think my main point in the post that you quoted was that miasma 2 was a more fun skill to have than art of war?

[Saefinn]

If DPS balance has been such an issue, they could give us something else to do. AST already has cards, give them more to do with them, replace the missing DPS stuff with more support mechanics to help make the jobs more engaging in their downtime from healing.

- SCH could have a debuff focus, a whole mechanic system based around the idea of enfeeblement. We used to have enfeeblements tied to our DPS skills, maybe replace the DPS skills with a better version of them?
- AST would have been happy with their previous card system, let them keep it as it was and add more to it to keep them occupied with it more in their downtime.
- WHM could have a system like the new card system if allowing AST to use their old one, I mean the ideas aren't bad with what they did to AST's cards, but if adjusted and made more WHM appropriate, then they've got something in their down time to do and finally get utility like they've been wanting. Maybe rework the lilies to be this system, because lilies are still an issue.

The result would be you're balancing the utility of each job, rather than utility and DPS. The three jobs would have more to do in their down time.

I've played some of new AST and it's not as boring to play as others, because they've got more to do in their downtime, which is what I've always assumed the reason for their lack of DPS skills was. Granted, I wholeheartedly understand the complaints of careers AST, which is why I think instead of changing AST to replace an existing mechanic with a new one, they could have given a new one to a healer that's both looking for more to do and more utility, like WHM.

[Deceptus]

And? You're literally wasting that dot because in the majority of cases where you'd use Miasma II, you'd be spamming it.



Of course you're spamming it.

6s for Miasma II to break even.
9s for Miasma II to be better.

How often do you find yourself using AoW every 9 seconds?

Large pulls in dungeons when you have to focus on healing the tank? Which is what the intended goal of Shadowbringers is.

[Brandedblade]

1) No it's not unless your spamming it. 200 pot Miasma 2 vs 150 AoW

2) Because AoW doesn't fit with the new design of healers needing to heal? Miasma II does. Pop Miasma II, heal some, pop it again 6s later.

All they'd have to do is keep the initial hit low enough so it's not spammed and the dot strong enough to warrant use..

1) When spamming it you loose the dot potency. So while yes it is weaker you're loosing potency when you spam it in aoe situation.

2. Literally the only difference between Miasma II and AoW is one has a dot and the other doesn't. You can still use it and even Ruin II for weaving your ogcd heals.

[Rivxkobe]

People acting like SE WOULDN'T give SCH back a DPS move to appease their favourite Healer.

/Flashbacks to SB release

[Dyvid]

If DPS balance has been such an issue, they could give us something else to do. AST already has cards, give them more to do with them, replace the missing DPS stuff with more support mechanics to help make the jobs more engaging in their downtime from healing.

- SCH could have a debuff focus, a whole mechanic system based around the idea of enfeeblement. We used to have enfeeblements tied to our DPS skills, maybe replace the DPS skills with a better version of them?
- AST would have been happy with their previous card system, let them keep it as it was and add more to it to keep them occupied with it more in their downtime.
- WHM could have a system like the new card system if allowing AST to use their old one, I mean the ideas aren't bad with what they did to AST's cards, but if adjusted and made more WHM appropriate, then they've got something in their down time to do and finally get utility like they've been wanting. Maybe rework the lilies to be this system, because lilies are still an issue.

The result would be you're balancing the utility of each job, rather than utility and DPS. The three jobs would have more to do in their down time.

I've played some of new AST and it's not as boring to play as others, because they've got more to do in their downtime, which is what I've always assumed the reason for their lack of DPS skills was. Granted, I wholeheartedly understand the complaints of careers AST, which is why I think instead of changing AST to replace an existing mechanic with a new one, they could have given a new one to a healer that's both looking for more to do and more utility, like WHM.

This is very sensible. SCH not only lost dps skills but also lost utility skills along with it. Fey Wind, Shadow Flare?

[LariaKirin]

Large pulls in dungeons when you have to focus on healing the tank? Which is what the intended goal of Shadowbringers is.

If you're telling me you need two GCDs between each AoW in dungeons, I don't believe you.

[nalol]

SCH dps is fine, easily capable of putting out as much damage as tanks right now. WHM is even better. Not sure about AST since they seem to be non-existent.

Healer dps is boring !

ST u have biolysis broil broil broil

AE u have AoW AoW AoW ... boring as hell

[Brandedblade]

Large pulls in dungeons when you have to focus on healing the tank? Which is what the intended goal of Shadowbringers is.

Good thing art of war is instant and sch also has a crap ton of ogcd healing. It's almost like that was the strength of AoW and as much as the extra mp cost hurts, was intended to balance that strength against? I've done a few dungeons where I would weave lustrates between AoW spamming to keep the tank up.