Shadowbringers - How can we fix this?

[NanaWiloh]

Same with Nidhogg. I'm still curious how people struggled with that fight, as there was nothing remotely difficult about it that I can recall.

I remember the group I got for Nidhogg when it was introduced. Too this day one of best most determined groups I have had the pleasure of being a part of, I think we wiped a good 7 or 8 times before we finally downed him but it was worth it.

[Krotoan]

I remember them (the devs) specifically saying healers would need to concentrate on healing and likely wouldn't have time to DPS much. The few dungeons I've run so far the damage has been bigger and more widely unavoidable. We have yet to experience the raids but I believe the focus from doing things other than your job has been shrunk. Healers may well need to only hear to clear some content.

but we shall see.

[Komarimono]

The first linked video, I honestly saw nothing complex. Spamming Broil 2, miasma, use your quick cast heals in between rarely. I mean, that's not really complex... Unless I am missing something? Second one is just common sense in any MMO.

FFXIV just has the advantage that healers can do some damage compared to other MMO's, but I do feel they are not there to DPS. A healer is to be the healer, hence the title. They are fine to DPS, especially for harder content to push timers and make phases go faster, but their overall job to to replenish the health of others. Which was kinda funny, watching the first one, the healer could have stopped DPS quite a few times to toss some much needed heals out so the other healer wasn't covering for them.

[NanaWiloh]

Yeah, and that's not the kind of complexity you can enforce in a MSQ/casual run of the game.
Keep that stuff in Savage for people that do Savage.


I personally feel the changes to be good.
I picked up Summoner this expansion, and I'm enjoying the class.
I can keep up with other DPS, and I'm above the tank and healers.


Is my rotation perfect? far from it, and I hope to get better at it as I play more.
The first dungeon in ShB was challenging enough, and with a few tweaks here and there, they did a good Job.

Video to me amounted to this.. Spam dmg spell>refresh dot>use CD rinse and repeat yes yes very complex.

[Skogli]

Dear Yoshida-san.

I'm hardcore! I like your game! Its reeeeeeal good!

-Minister of swol

[NanaWiloh]

The first linked video, I honestly saw nothing complex. Spamming Broil 2, miasma, use your quick cast heals in between rarely. I mean, that's not really complex... Unless I am missing something? Second one is just common sense in any MMO.

FFXIV just has the advantage that healers can do some damage compared to other MMO's, but I do feel they are not there to DPS. A healer is to be the healer, hence the title. They are fine to DPS, especially for harder content to push timers and make phases go faster, but their overall job to to replenish the health of others. Which was kinda funny, watching the first one, the healer could have stopped DPS quite a few times to toss some much needed heals out so the other healer wasn't covering for them.

Irks the life out of me when the group is low on hp from big attack, I am throwing out aoe heals busting rear to get the tanks up. Then look at my co-healer and what are they doing!!! Dpsing the boss who is about too give the group another good smack across the face. If a healer wants to dps great dps when every member of your party has plenty of life to survive!!

[Skogli]

Tbh you best let go of the "dps healer" mentality soner than later. Healer have been shifted towards more focus on the actual healing, so as Long as you keep clinging to you dps past you're Just gonna be holding the group back.

[Varushkin]

Tbh you best let go of the "dps healer" mentality soner than later. Healer have been shifted towards more focus on the actual healing, so as Long as you keep clinging to you dps past you're Just gonna be holding the group back.

I don't believe that for a second.

[cougarel]

Tbh you best let go of the "dps healer" mentality soner than later. Healer have been shifted towards more focus on the actual healing, so as Long as you keep clinging to you dps past you're Just gonna be holding the group back.

I don't think that's the case, remember that we are at the start of a new expansion and the ilvl is just the required one to just enter a dungeon/trial at this point.
Yes, we can see the shift in focus more on the heal and the fact that i had to use even the emergency heal skills in a normal dungeon proves that.
Anyway i say let's reach level 80 and get some better gear before we throw this kind of messages around.
This can be discussed on the role subforum if you really want to engage in a good discussion and not throw random text .

[Kathryn]

I don't think that's the case, remember that we are at the start of a new expansion and the ilvl is just the required one to just enter a dungeon/trial at this point.
Yes, we can see the shift in focus more on the heal and the fact that i had to use even the emergency heal skills in a normal dungeon proves that.
Anyway i say let's reach level 80 and get some better gear before we throw this kind of messages around.
This can be discussed on the role subforum if you really want to engage in a good discussion and not throw random text .

Exactly this, it's a new expansion newer stronger enemies they need to add some semblence of danger and make healers and tank feel abit more cautiously the first few times ina dungeon until they are geared for it, but eh who am I kidding people these days never give anything a chance, my bf for example is alrdy dps'n while healing and we've had no wipes so far.