Shadowbringers - How can we fix this?

[Varushkin]

Tbh you best let go of the "dps healer" mentality soner than later. Healer have been shifted towards more focus on the actual healing, so as Long as you keep clinging to you dps past you're Just gonna be holding the group back.

I don't believe that for a second.

[cougarel]

Tbh you best let go of the "dps healer" mentality soner than later. Healer have been shifted towards more focus on the actual healing, so as Long as you keep clinging to you dps past you're Just gonna be holding the group back.

I don't think that's the case, remember that we are at the start of a new expansion and the ilvl is just the required one to just enter a dungeon/trial at this point.
Yes, we can see the shift in focus more on the heal and the fact that i had to use even the emergency heal skills in a normal dungeon proves that.
Anyway i say let's reach level 80 and get some better gear before we throw this kind of messages around.
This can be discussed on the role subforum if you really want to engage in a good discussion and not throw random text .

[Kathryn]

I don't think that's the case, remember that we are at the start of a new expansion and the ilvl is just the required one to just enter a dungeon/trial at this point.
Yes, we can see the shift in focus more on the heal and the fact that i had to use even the emergency heal skills in a normal dungeon proves that.
Anyway i say let's reach level 80 and get some better gear before we throw this kind of messages around.
This can be discussed on the role subforum if you really want to engage in a good discussion and not throw random text .

Exactly this, it's a new expansion newer stronger enemies they need to add some semblence of danger and make healers and tank feel abit more cautiously the first few times ina dungeon until they are geared for it, but eh who am I kidding people these days never give anything a chance, my bf for example is alrdy dps'n while healing and we've had no wipes so far.

[ADVSS]

Exactly this, it's a new expansion newer stronger enemies they need to add some semblence of danger and make healers and tank feel abit more cautiously the first few times ina dungeon until they are geared for it, but eh who am I kidding people these days never give anything a chance, my bf for example is alrdy dps'n while healing and we've had no wipes so far.

The only thing they did was give everything a stacking invuln debuff. That is all. The reason healing is hard is now virtually the other players fault for not dodging properly. Hope you guys have strong backs. From a tanking perspective, it seems like the other responsibility is thrown on us as well, much less self healing it seems, and sometimes saving a wipe is left to our ability to group mitigate/mitigate the healer/mitigate the other tank if they dont dodge. All thats left now is to add some near impossible dps checks, and youll have the biggest flamestorm of blaming x or y person for x or y thing. Already seeing it now, in new trials and dungeons.
Also, the trust healers all DPS all of them.

[MPNZ]

Tbh you best let go of the "dps healer" mentality soner than later. Healer have been shifted towards more focus on the actual healing, so as Long as you keep clinging to you dps past you're Just gonna be holding the group back.

Um, Stone Vigil and 1000 maws of Totorak are like equally terrible because it's basically one extreme or the other. It's just going from stressfully casting Benefic II for forever to mind-numbingly casting Malefic infinitely. Both are super bad at max level

Also, I despise the very idea that hlrs and buffing classes have to be just useless and unable to level without big, strong axemen and armored knights just to be treated as "silly heal/buff slut". It's just way too illogical to have a military or combat role like a combat medic and not offer to train them to use weapons, and I refuse to just sit and wait for for you to get a booboo to do something. So, if I have any down time: I'm using malefic, AB, or buffs

[Lunalepsy]

I would like to start this thread by addressing Yoshi-P.

Yoshida-san,

I have played Final Fantasy XIV for a very long time and I've personally praised you on more than one occasions for bringing this glorious game back from the place it came from. To that end, I will always cherish the time I've spent playing, building friendships and bragging about how I feel this MMO has solved the itch that no other MMO has.

Thank You!

With that being said however, I feel like this recent turn of events has left me feeling a little put off by the changes that Shadowbringers has brought. I myself, have played every class up to level 60 at least and some even up to level 70 with Stormblood. I am very much aware of the so called player skill gap between newer and older players such as myself. I have even taken it upon myself to teach those players who have a lesser understanding just to bring them closer to my skill level. Apparently this is not enough to get away from the over casualization of the game.

I don't believe that it is right to essentially bring those players who have taken the time to learn the intricacies of their preferred roles and bring them down to only doing one thing. I'm referring to the healers specifically with this point. I for one was very much so looking forward to the days of seeing myself dole out 4k plus DPS as a Scholar. While this may not be as high as some other players it was a milestone in my own mind. However, with these changes I feel like we'd would be lucky to achieve 1k DPS while maintaining the parties health.

So let's look at this from the newer players perspective for a moment. It is entirely up to that player to determine how much or how little effort they want to put into a game like this. If they want to become better at the job that they play they will put forth that effort. Likewise if they only want to loaf around and just see the sites that's on them.

Taking away the complexity of any job isn't the answer to this conundrum. I am only bringing this up because through your work and the work of your entire team at Square Enix's headquarters in Japan. You have made an HUGE impact on the community at large. That same community that is driven to being the most welcoming of newer players and even returning players. I've never come across another MMO community that has been this "well behaved", most of the time. I can and will acknowledge the faults of the so called "toxic" players out there. Surely though they can't make up the majority of this community?

I'll leave this thread to that same community that I've been talking about. Let them be heard and with a lot of love and a little effort. We can make this expansion the expansion it needs to be.

Sadly, that is too stressful.

[Skogli]

I don't think that's the case, remember that we are at the start of a new expansion and the ilvl is just the required one to just enter a dungeon/trial at this point.
Yes, we can see the shift in focus more on the heal and the fact that i had to use even the emergency heal skills in a normal dungeon proves that.
Anyway i say let's reach level 80 and get some better gear before we throw this kind of messages around.
This can be discussed on the role subforum if you really want to engage in a good discussion and not throw random text .

Thank you. I dont think there is anything to discuss tbh. I was being hyperbolic because I too think that is way too early to tell. Especially calling out the game director himself.

[Crystal_Raven]

The vast majority of the community can't really handle difficulty of any kind. You need to give them everything on a silver plate otherwise they will complain it's too difficult. And god forbid you say anything about the fact that they should know their class and the basic game mechanics by the time they reach max level, you will be seen as an elitist with a massive ego.

That's the state of this community. Don't expect anything to be made harder.

The other day I got told I have a massive ego because I expect players above level 70 to understand stack markers.

[Jimmymagic]

The vast majority of the community can't really handle difficulty of any kind. You need to give them everything on a silver plate otherwise they will complain it's too difficult. And god forbid you say anything about the fact that they should know their class and the basic game mechanics by the time they reach max level, you will be seen as an elitist with a massive ego.

That's the state of this community. Don't expect anything to be made harder.

The other day I got told I have a massive ego because I expect players above level 70 to understand stack markers.

LMAO mmo players with massive egos......whats next Mentors with souls.....

[Kaliesto]

I don't mind the change for the people who play Healers, they were getting stressed enough from the community (from what I've seen and heard the past few years) and this change is most welcome.

But, I understand not everyone agrees with the change.