Shadowbringers - How can we fix this?

[Varushkin]

So the game is keeping you busy the entire fight with your primary role and you somehow think this is a bad thing?

We were never meant to dps the entire fight. That healing was so unnecessary to allow it was a flaw in the design. Our dps contribution is meant to be windows as the fight allows and part of being an accomplished healer was finding those windows. But if you were the type of healer who focused dps over your primary role, who made the argument against using a healing ability so as not to waste a dps tick, you're going to have trouble in this expansion.

I personally have no trouble, but I long ago learned how to find those windows and balance my roles. I see this as nothing but good for the healing community, as the game is finally reinforcing our primary role.

I never stated that I pushed DPS at the sake of healing output. I simply know when to heal or when to prepare to heal like yourself while pushing the DPS. It's been that way since it was relaunched 6 years ago. Does this mean that the original idea was flawed. I don't believe that at all. What I do believe is what I said at the beginning of this thread that we are moving to an over casualized position.

We play games to feel some sort of achievement. The reward for overcoming complexity and challenge feels far more rewarding than being rewarded with something like a mobile game. *shudders*

[TaleraRistain]

I never stated that I pushed DPS at the sake of healing output. I simply know when to heal or when to prepare to heal like yourself while pushing the DPS. It's been that way since it was relaunched 6 years ago. Does this mean that the original idea was flawed. I don't believe that at all. What I do believe is what I said at the beginning of this thread that we are moving to an over casualized position.

We play games to feel some sort of achievement. The reward for overcoming complexity and challenge feels far more rewarding than being rewarded with something like a mobile game. *shudders*

Being able to Largesse and Regen or Medica II and have it last nearly the entire fight while we did nothing but dps because there was nothing keeping us actively healing is a hell of a lot more casual to me. We can't lean on those like a crutch anymore. We need to maintain them if we want to take advantage of those abilities.

I was bored as hell with Regen and Forget It and just Holy spamming. That's what makes me want to turn on Netflix. I'm happy we have to heal constantly. It's long overdue.

[Varushkin]

Being able to Largesse and Regen or Medica II and have it last nearly the entire fight while we did nothing but dps because there was nothing keeping us actively healing is a hell of a lot more casual to me. We can't lean on those like a crutch anymore. We need to maintain them if we want to take advantage of those abilities.

I was bored as hell with Regen and Forget It and just Holy spamming. That's what makes me want to turn on Netflix. I'm happy we have to heal constantly. It's long overdue.

I never really cared for WHM for that reason to some degree. However playing as an AST and SCH was in my opinion far more challenging because it wasn't just one attack like WHM. All healers have been "gutted" to where we have essentially 1 DoT and 1 Direct Damage spell like Ruin, Stone, Malefic, and yes your holy. I've looked at the newer abilities for each of the healers from 70 to 80 this doesn't really change. It goes back to what some have already stated in this thread. The content that SE has put out for us needs to reflect the changes. Some of the footage and points of view even in this thread seem to suggest otherwise.

[cougarel]

I love the fact that you generalize all the healers in the same group, yes there are some that don't enjoy dpsing and will only heal , but we those the rare bread are always trying to top our best by doing both and in some instances solo heal if the ot heal is dead or just playing bad.
At this point it just throwing gasoline on fire on the old subject of healers not dpsing.

[Melorie]

Look, healers should be healing. Not worried that they do enough DPS.

These changes won't make healers do less DPS at all. Healers should have more engaging down-time. Be that dpsing, buffing, or even healing in a interesting way that's not "oh, lemme watch the tank hp for minutes till I can use an OGCD heal on it!". Everytime I get into a 70- content I can count with my fingers the times that I actually get to heal. And eventually, the current ShadowBringers content will also feel that way, after everyone is on lvl cap and with proper gear.
Making our dps even more boring will not fix the problem and if you think it does, then I suggest you actually play a healer before talking about a role you don't seem to understand? Thank you.



Anyway I agree with your comments. I'm enjoying the expac so far (specially story-wise), but I'm afraid with the steps Square Enix have been taking. I think that they should've made the rotations cleaner and even simpler, however things should've stayed engaging, we shouldn't have lost all those layers of complexity, and the rest of the game (which, truth be told, if you do your roulettes is something you'll still be playing a lot) shouldn't have suffered so much from it.
Players that put the effort to learn their class and give it all should be rewarded with it - at least with fun.

[Krotoan]

I remember them (the devs) specifically saying healers would need to concentrate on healing and likely wouldn't have time to DPS much. The few dungeons I've run so far the damage has been bigger and more widely unavoidable. We have yet to experience the raids but I believe the focus from doing things other than your job has been shrunk. Healers may well need to only hear to clear some content.

but we shall see.

[Komarimono]

The first linked video, I honestly saw nothing complex. Spamming Broil 2, miasma, use your quick cast heals in between rarely. I mean, that's not really complex... Unless I am missing something? Second one is just common sense in any MMO.

FFXIV just has the advantage that healers can do some damage compared to other MMO's, but I do feel they are not there to DPS. A healer is to be the healer, hence the title. They are fine to DPS, especially for harder content to push timers and make phases go faster, but their overall job to to replenish the health of others. Which was kinda funny, watching the first one, the healer could have stopped DPS quite a few times to toss some much needed heals out so the other healer wasn't covering for them.

[NanaWiloh]

The first linked video, I honestly saw nothing complex. Spamming Broil 2, miasma, use your quick cast heals in between rarely. I mean, that's not really complex... Unless I am missing something? Second one is just common sense in any MMO.

FFXIV just has the advantage that healers can do some damage compared to other MMO's, but I do feel they are not there to DPS. A healer is to be the healer, hence the title. They are fine to DPS, especially for harder content to push timers and make phases go faster, but their overall job to to replenish the health of others. Which was kinda funny, watching the first one, the healer could have stopped DPS quite a few times to toss some much needed heals out so the other healer wasn't covering for them.

Irks the life out of me when the group is low on hp from big attack, I am throwing out aoe heals busting rear to get the tanks up. Then look at my co-healer and what are they doing!!! Dpsing the boss who is about too give the group another good smack across the face. If a healer wants to dps great dps when every member of your party has plenty of life to survive!!

[Skogli]

Dear Yoshida-san.

I'm hardcore! I like your game! Its reeeeeeal good!

-Minister of swol

[Skogli]

Tbh you best let go of the "dps healer" mentality soner than later. Healer have been shifted towards more focus on the actual healing, so as Long as you keep clinging to you dps past you're Just gonna be holding the group back.