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    I don't even remember what I have mine at, but I changed some settings recently trying to resolve an unrelated fps problem (that has since been fixed) and didn't notice any stuttering when capping the fps while using a 120hz monitor.

    I don't even know what the big deal is anyway, whether the fps is 60 or 120 I wouldn't even be able to tell you because my eyes can't tell the difference. Just like with DPS, people just love big numbers and think the higher their fps is, the better they play or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I don't even remember what I have mine at, but I changed some settings recently trying to resolve an unrelated fps problem (that has since been fixed) and didn't notice any stuttering when capping the fps while using a 120hz monitor.

    I don't even know what the big deal is anyway, whether the fps is 60 or 120 I wouldn't even be able to tell you because my eyes can't tell the difference. Just like with DPS, people just love big numbers and think the higher their fps is, the better they play or something.
    I mean I can tell the difference between 60 and 120-144 instantly. It feels so much smoother, even though there isn't a ton of movement which is generally where you notice it the most. Some people just don't perceive differences in FPS the same way as other people, but it's night and day to me so I dunno. I will definitely say that 90 FPS is about the amount of frames that I would call comfortable for me, in terms of not getting annoyed and it being really noticed, but 60? 60 is pretty bad for me.

    Hello SE, but it's 2019. Games don't generally go backwards when it comes to the technology you put into your years old game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I don't even remember what I have mine at, but I changed some settings recently trying to resolve an unrelated fps problem (that has since been fixed) and didn't notice any stuttering when capping the fps while using a 120hz monitor.

    I don't even know what the big deal is anyway, whether the fps is 60 or 120 I wouldn't even be able to tell you because my eyes can't tell the difference. Just like with DPS, people just love big numbers and think the higher their fps is, the better they play or something.
    ???????????

    I also have yet to meet a person who can't very quickly notice the difference between 60 fps and, say, 120+, even in an RPG like this one, so long as the camera is turning or the cursor is moving. But you would know you better than my sample size of a few dozen people, so fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I literally have no idea why you bolded only part of what I said and then argued against something else. So I guess I need to clarify (didn't think I needed to, but):

    People like high DPS. People like high FPS. Therefore, when discussing FPS, I said, "just like with DPS, people just love big numbers". I was referring specifically to people wanting the highest FPS possible, even if it's detrimental to the game or is just completely useless. Do you understand now. I guess if you just pick part of a sentence someone said and don't read the rest, I guess it can be kind of confusing.
    Your point was that not everyone gets value out of added FPS, yes? Fair enough. I'll give that to you. It just could not be further from the case with DPS. It's distinctly a metric that has no soft cap, taper, or whatever else. Minus the time spent moving in dungeons, it's purely and simply the rate of completion for any XIV content.

    "Would you like to be able to finish your flight from London to Tokyo more quickly? Say... instantly?" "Nah, once its faster than 14 hours or so, I don't notice."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    ???????????

    I also have yet to meet a person who can't very quickly notice the difference between 60 fps and, say, 120+, even in an RPG like this one, so long as the camera is turning or the cursor is moving. But you would know you better than my sample size of a few dozen people, so fair enough.
    I know a fair number of people who cant tell 60 and 120 apart. Most notice though, just cant put their finger on the difference. Personally I see the difference, just don't care that much. Anything beyond 60 is a luxury to me, and too high fps actually bothers me sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    ???????????

    I also have yet to meet a person who can't very quickly notice the difference between 60 fps and, say, 120+, even in an RPG like this one, so long as the camera is turning or the cursor is moving. But you would know you better than my sample size of a few dozen people, so fair enough.
    I literally have no idea why you bolded only part of what I said and then argued against something else. So I guess I need to clarify (didn't think I needed to, but):

    People like high DPS. People like high FPS. Therefore, when discussing FPS, I said, "just like with DPS, people just love big numbers". I was referring specifically to people wanting the highest FPS possible, even if it's detrimental to the game or is just completely useless. Do you understand now. I guess if you just pick part of a sentence someone said and don't read the rest, I guess it can be kind of confusing.

    Here's an example:

    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    I also have yet to meet a person
    Uhhhh, what? You've never met a person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    You're point was that not everyone gets value out of added FPS, yes? Fair enough. I'll give that to you. It just could not be further from the case with DPS. It's distinctly a metric that has no soft cap, taper, or whatever else.

    "Would you like to be able to finish your flight from London to Tokyo more quickly? Say... instantly?" "Nah, once its faster than 14 hours or so, I don't notice."
    I'm not playing phone tag with you. New posts are a thing.

    You can sit there and pick apart units of measurement or whatever, but that doesn't make me any less correct: Just like with DPS, people like big numbers. This is not an incorrect statement. You are not arguing with me because I am not arguing with you. There is nothing to argue. Pick someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I'm not playing phone tag with you. New posts are a thing.

    You can sit there and pick apart units of measurement or whatever, but that doesn't make me any less correct: Just like with DPS, people like big numbers. This is not an incorrect statement. You are not arguing with me because I am not arguing with you. There is nothing to argue. Pick someone else.
    it's not incorrect but it's also not really relevant to the discussion. This addition (or retraction) will affect players differently based on their PC build and preferences, so some clarification from SE would be nice. I have a 144hz monitor but I locked Ffxiv to 60fps due to some other issue I dont remember too well, I just remember some screen stuttering or tearing from over a year ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I don't even know what the big deal is anyway, whether the fps is 60 or 120 I wouldn't even be able to tell you because my eyes can't tell the difference. Just like with DPS, people just love big numbers and think the higher their fps is, the better they play or something.
    This has nothing to do with big numbers. I run at an average of 110-115fps (144Hz monitor) and when the game drops to about 90 (80 for sure) I can tell see the difference and it's annoying.

    Just because you can't tell a difference doesn't mean no one else can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I don't even remember what I have mine at, but I changed some settings recently trying to resolve an unrelated fps problem (that has since been fixed) and didn't notice any stuttering when capping the fps while using a 120hz monitor.

    I don't even know what the big deal is anyway, whether the fps is 60 or 120 I wouldn't even be able to tell you because my eyes can't tell the difference. Just like with DPS, people just love big numbers and think the higher their fps is, the better they play or something.
    yea its the ...2019s people need to "flex" something to add meaning to their existence for some reason
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    Quote Originally Posted by guardin View Post
    yea its the ...2019s people need to "flex" something to add meaning to their existence for some reason
    That's a gross oversimplification. I wouldn't be upset at a 90 fps cap if the current in-game frame limiter worked properly. But it doesn't. It introduces noticeable stuttering that can only be avoided by not engaging it. If the in-game frame limiter worked like RTSS or other applications, yeah it would be annoying not to be able to play higher than 90, but I could deal. But this jittery mess that happens with the in-game limiter? Can't be overlooked.
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