Opinions on Positionals

[Kalise]

Agreed. I'd much rather have (client-checked) draw times on my bow and have my mobility thus checked and constrained somewhat (not Bow Mage levels, but still) than lose the ability to play in optimal locations for preemptive movement just because of a distance-based damage curve.

Also, do you know how annoying it is when your AoE heals don't work because someone decided to stand 10000000 miles away from the rest of the group?

Imagine that, but with every ranged class - Including good players - doing that.

I like positionals. Especially as a tank with one or more melee I feel it uniquely enhances the experience. I haven't really had to think of that outside of tanking specifically for an Assassin, Feral Druid, or Subtlety Rogue.

RIP EQ2 Swashbuckler Tank...

Where you had positionals and would exploit them by spinning the target around just long enough to stab them in the butt, or by capitalizing on stuns to dash around and hit their flank and get back before the stun wore off and they turned around.

Also RIP when CC was an actual thing that actually made fights engaging... Nowadays everything has to be CC immune because "Muh mechanics!" (Not that this game actually makes bosses feel any different, with crappy fluff damage... Whats the difference between just rolling Regen/Adlo on a tank and negating all AA's between Busters and carefully chaining CC skills to lockdown a boss so they can't AA between busters other than the latter actually takes some thought and if you mess up you get trucked?)

[ForteNightshade]

Dunno.

Sure would suck if they had to figure that out for once, huh?

Except they wouldn't be the ones figuring it out. The healers would be expected to compensate. Take O10S. You think Bards and Machinist are moving in for Ark Morn? Nope. This would be even worse in Ultimate where it's literally impossible for the range to move out. You'd just be stuck losing damage or be replaced by a second Caster as a result.

[Ryaz]

Positionals are fine for some added skill gap with melee classes. However, after leveling Monk, I do feel that job goes a bit overboard compared to the others. Especially with the attack speed they have, having to constantly move back and forth while dealing with problem tanks who can't keep the boss still or enemy mechanics that turn the mob can be an exercise in frustration. Samurai and Ninja have two positionals. Dragoon will have just three after expac hits. Monk has SIX.

[DAILO]

Positionals are fine for some added skill gap with melee classes. However, after leveling Monk, I do feel that job goes a bit overboard compared to the others. Especially with the attack speed they have, having to constantly move back and forth while dealing with problem tanks who can't keep the boss still or enemy mechanics that turn the mob can be an exercise in frustration. Samurai and Ninja have two positionals. Dragoon will have just three after expac hits. Monk has SIX.

Ninjas have 3 positionals, 2 of which are GCDs and one oGCD. On the bright side, the oGCD should be more manageable with the new change to True North having 2 stacks, but the GCD positionals are still too punishing when mechanics force you or your tanks movements (ex. Twintania). The loss in potency from missing a positional for a melee class seems a little extreme considering melee classes already suffer from mechanics that force you away from bosses.

[Xau]

Positionals are fine for some added skill gap with melee classes. However, after leveling Monk, I do feel that job goes a bit overboard compared to the others. Especially with the attack speed they have, having to constantly move back and forth while dealing with problem tanks who can't keep the boss still or enemy mechanics that turn the mob can be an exercise in frustration. Samurai and Ninja have two positionals. Dragoon will have just three after expac hits. Monk has SIX.

if the way you play monk is flank>back>flank>back and so on, you are doing it wrong, monks pair their opo-opo/raptor flank attacks as well their opo-opo/raptor back attacks, so it feels more like 4 positionals rather than 6(in otherwords flank>flank>back>back>back>flank>flank>flank>flank>back>back>back and so on)
as for tanks who can't stand still, ask them to stop that, tell them something on the lines of: please stop repositioning the boss all the time, i understand why for aoes, but when there is none there is no need of repositioning

most tanks what does that aren't aware what melees has positionals what boost their damage, so is better tell them so they are aware of that

[Warlyx]

some skills make sense (trick attack) others not so much

[Inosaska]

With the patch notes out from just reading them it appears samurai only has 1 positional and that's it and with the huge buffs made to samurai if the other melee DPS screw up on there positional abilities enough they will fall behind in DPS. They need to review the positional abilities on the other 3 melee DPS and take a look at reducing them.

[Warlyx]

With the patch notes out from just reading them it appears samurai only has 1 positional and that's it and with the huge buffs made to samurai if the other melee DPS screw up on there positional abilities enough they will fall behind in DPS. They need to review the positional abilities on the other 3 melee DPS and take a look at reducing them.

yeah looks like only gekko has a position req

[Grimmjow_Jaegerjaques]

yeah looks like only gekko has a position req

Kasha still has the positional.

[Orbus]

After trying numerous melee classes, I have come to the conclusion that I don't like positional attacks and by proxy the classes with them.
I know for some people it adds some spice but it feels like such a pointless song and dance to me.

And as someone that mains BLM I can tell you that the "problem" of just standing in one place and going through your attacks without having to move doesn't exist anymore.
Modern bosses have so many things to dodge and so many different attack patterns that you're gonna be moving all the time anyway.
Maybe not as much as positionals would make you, but with that added requirement for maximum damage on top of dodging stuff it just seems over the top to me.