Going to the same route as WoW. The game is TOO easy

[Orbus]

hmm...
Putting aside that "savage" tier dungeons would get in the way of the dungeon roulette's which numerous main story dungeons are tie to, unless they offered substantially better rewards as well there would be little point to doing them and putting raid tier gear in them isn't going to happen.

Perhaps if they were to make a "raid dungeon" that's tied to eight man raid progression, having a dungeon where they would just put another raid boss (say for example the phantom train boss would instead be a dungeon run through the train, but with mobs and mechanics that push dungeon difficulty much higher) with raid loot distributed as usual after finishing it, and a savage tier of the dungeon doing what savage tier usually does.
It would also give them an excuse to finally make more 8 man dungeons than the MSQ roulette dungeons.

I mean it's not likely to happen, but if they were to make much harder dungeons I think it would have to be something like this since making the standard dungeons much harder isn't going to happen.

[Schan]

Legit question. Why does every game have to be super duper challenging?

Because people usually have a problem which is... "what's fun for me must be fun for you and the way I play is the right way to play".

[jazo]

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Someone did not played Eureka, that was a push for comunity

Also, the world visit is for comunities

That your experience with that attitude does not have you make friends and do comunity content is more your fault than the game.

[Kazrah]

Forums: "We want more challenging savage raids"
Devs: "Here you go!" Alexander: Gordias (Savage)
Forums: "I can't raid with my job because raids are too hard!"
Devs: "Fine, we'll tune down content" gives Alexander: Midas (Savage)

Forums: "24-player raids are too easy"
Devs: Weeping City of Mhach
Forums: "NERF OZMA!!"

Forums: "Dungeons are too easy"
Devs: The Burn
Forums: "Dungeons are too hard!!"

#historyrepeatsitself

[Gula]

Legit question. Why does every game have to be super duper challenging? People calling for semi-casual games to be harder (as in Savage/Ultimate level hard throughout) is like going to a children's softball game and saying it has to run by professional rules and be played on a professional size field. If you find the game too easy, then why not quit and find another one that challenges you better? I just honestly don't understand this, and am curious why every single MMO has to be Ninja Warrior level challenging. I mean..... I really, honestly don't understand it.

Because they want to enjoy things their way and no one else matters. They pay a sub so they are obviously entitled to saying how the game should be run.

That was the lightest of sarcasm but really, it seems to be the case for more than just a few.

I love the music, story and world of XIV. I'm addicted to housing, and think crafting is the best in any mmo ever. Meaning it would be a lot more difficult to swap to, say, another game with some but not all similar features but has the difficulty. So I'd want any additional features in XIV.

However. People tend to forget the massive multiplayer in mmo with these wants.

[Reinha]

Forums: "Dungeons are too easy"
Devs: The Burn
Forums: "Dungeons are too hard!!"

I genuinely don't get what is hard about the Burn. Is it the part where you Esuna? See, this is exactly what I meant. Everyone who queues up for the Burn has cleared Shinryu and other trials but because nothing has properly demanded their attention for almost two years afterwards they have apparently forgotten even the basics.

People calling for semi-casual games to be harder (as in Savage/Ultimate level hard throughout)

I just honestly don't understand this, and am curious why every single MMO has to be Ninja Warrior level challenging. I mean..... I really, honestly don't understand it.

You probably don't understand it because no one said this and you made it up.

[Amariel34]

You probably don't understand it because no one said this and you made it up.

I never stated anyone did. It was my own words. It's the best way I could describe how I see people calling for stuff to be more challenging. Call it a simile or an exaggeration, however you see fit. But it doesn't matter how anyone describes it, I still don't understand why every game has to be highly challenging, especially since such a thing is subjective and varies by individual.

[Shurrikhan]

It's funny, because as Blizzard implemented systems similar to suggestions in this thread, the game has been in decline. The forums over here make Mythic+ out to be a gift from the Twelve and that solves all problems. Mythic+ is a blight that damages the entirety of WoW. It's a black hole of system that should be expunged as the failure to promote positive gameplay that is it.

You want that weapon out of Savage/Ultimate, you do Savage/Ultimate.

Said it before, going to say it again; They listen, they give you content that you ask for, but it's not not what many really want. What many want are hard set bars that block others from that content. You wish to be the guardians that control how others play the game. You'll dissemble all your motivations to reach a satisfactory self delusion, but the truth still remains.

Get over yourselves.

Losing subs over the period in which X exists and losing subs because X exists are two very different things.

People rarely do Mythic+ in place of high-end content. Except during targeted catchup-patches (which are themselves a whole different issue), its rewards are inferior for the difficulty involved.

That's not to say that Mythic+ would solve numerous, let alone all, issues, though I can't think of a single post that has implied that it would be some grand panacea. Its simply an example of how you can give expansive difficulty settings as to make a content type relevant to many different player groups and increase longevity without simply giving disproportionate rewards. That idea of building content that can progress with the player, to tide over the slow output of content elsewhere without resorting solely to grinds without any engaging difficulty like Eureka, however, can be a real boon for the game.

I never stated anyone did. It was my own words.

"People calling for" is very specifically stating that people are saying that.

[kidalutz]

I never stated anyone did. It was my own words. It's the best way I could describe how I see people calling for stuff to be more challenging. Call it a simile or an exaggeration, however you see fit. But it doesn't matter how anyone describes it, I still don't understand why every game has to be highly challenging, especially since such a thing is subjective and varies by individual.

You're assuming that people on the forums aren't just going to pick something to nitpick at cause they had a crappy day and need to tear down someone after being torn down.

[Orbus]

I genuinely don't get what is hard about the Burn. Is it the part where you Esuna?

It's just the mist dragon in general.
The four heads is particularly bad, I've had parties that simply cannot get past that part because they're too pants on head dumb to not attack the dragon during this phase, or even worse their damage is so bad that they can't destroy all the heads in time.
You know things are bad when I'm playing the healer and destroy a head before anyone else.

Unfortunately I can't really blame them for not cleansing the frost dot when the devs keep adding in more things that can't be cleansed.