Going to the same route as WoW. The game is TOO easy

[Videra]

Will classic have more than a few months of activity though? People will very quickly start missing out on the Qol features. Hell, blizzard had to make a post telling people which things weren't bugs, because people kept thinking qol features missing was a bug.

Honestly, I've heard a vast majority of super positive reception for classic, but that is neither here nor there.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Considering how people still fail at easy mechanics like stack and spread markers I don't think many actually do.
Then again, guides aren't really of any help for the majority of the community seeing they still wipe to the easiest mechanics months after release.

I would really wish that the 'carry me senpai' mentality in DF would just stop.
And the 'kill for friend' trap party in PF but you can just ignore these groups so it's not as big of an issue.

Take a look at the Japanese Datacenters, there it's basically the other way around, there it's actually rare to find such situations.

Oh I agree most of the player base is bad. I just like getting my first run in blind. I also figure out the mechanics on the first round or 2, so it's not an issue for me. And I usually do stuff patch day.

No number of guides will fix players running off with stack markers in the 15th instance that's had them.

[Crystal_Raven]

Considering how people still fail at easy mechanics like stack and spread markers I don't think many actually do.
Then again, guides aren't really of any help for the majority of the community seeing they still wipe to the easiest mechanics months after release.

I would really wish that the 'carry me senpai' mentality in DF would just stop.
And the 'kill for friend' trap party in PF but you can just ignore these groups so it's not as big of an issue.

Take a look at the Japanese Datacenters, there it's basically the other way around, there it's actually rare to find such situations.

The people in the west are far more entitled than the east.

I work in customer service, I deal with people from both asia(china and japan mostly), and UK + france.

Trust me when I say, westerners are INCREDIBLY entitled compared to the asian sphere.

[SaitoHikari]

OP, if you truly believe that XI was a "challenge," then you are misremembering what the game was. XI—like many of its peers in its generation—punished mistakes (XP loss on wipe) and was tedious (the grind is real). Neither of these things are actually "hard." There were some hard bosses, both killable and unkillable, but nothing in XI—and the MMORPG genre in general—screams hard. And while I do not do Savage in XIV, I do have a lot of experience with the hardest of the hardest MMO content. I just don't do it anymore because I don't want to invest the time required; there's too many other great games to play, great books to read, and great content to stream. So I do know what I'm talking about.


You want a challenge in gaming? Go play Dark Souls. Otherwise, please stop. Projecting tedium as "challenge" really doesn't make your case.

This is true. Many people make the mistake of conflating 'tedium' as 'difficult'. After all, is Eureka hard?

[splinter1545]

This won't happen, as much as I want it too.

All we have is Savage and Ultimate, and Ultimate is basically for the hardcore of the hardcore. We're not asking for the game to be flipped upside down and be completely face-to-the-wall hard, but we're in in our 3rd xpac now. It's time to stop holding the player's hand.

[Alucard135]

The challenge is the community itself most of the time. Can you dodge all the PF traps that are getting more and more clever at disguising themselves? Tune in to Shadowbringers for an exiting game of Party Finder EX/Savage

[Skyclaw726]

Considering how people still fail at easy mechanics like stack and spread markers I don't think many actually do.
Then again, guides aren't really of any help for the majority of the community seeing they still wipe to the easiest mechanics months after release.

I would really wish that the 'carry me senpai' mentality in DF would just stop.
And the 'kill for friend' trap party in PF but you can just ignore these groups so it's not as big of an issue.

Take a look at the Japanese Datacenters, there it's basically the other way around, there it's actually rare to find such situations.

Watching something and then doing that thing are two very different things, i can watch Lionel messi dance his way through 8 players and score a hattrick but when i try to do it i fall on my face.

Sometimes i go in blind and sometimes i'll watch/read a guide but when actually doing the duty half my brain is trying to remember what's coming up and the other half is trying to figure out how to deal with whatever is coming up which usually ends up with me panicking and dying anyway OR the boss doing something that was not covered in the guide but the latter would be down to a poor guide. Every situation is different so you have to adapt.

in the party finder when i see things like "Watch guide" or "Show achievement" it just makes me anxious and puts me off from doing whatever that party was looking for but that's a personal thing and i don't expect the game or the player base to change to suit myself. To be clear i'm not accusing anyone in this thread of doing that despite my wording seeming that way...i just suck at writing.

[Vahlnir]

This game has never really been hard at all, at least since 2.0 launch. Grindy? Sometimes, but not difficult. The only real challenging pieces of content are Extreme trials, Savage and Ultimate. Beyond that this game is probably the most casual MMO I have ever played. It's hard to make something "too easy" when it was never really difficult to begin with.

[ForteNightshade]

FFXIV has never been, is not and will never be a hard mmorpg to play.
Yoshi P said it already, he wants an mmorpg that you actually play it like a game and not treat it like a job.
It IS a casual mmorpg where you could jump in and play whatever time you could put at it and have a fine time, hence why there are so many women playing this game, since they dont have to dedicate their life towards it.
But there is something for a hardcore players too you are not left on the ice, savage and extreme content is quite demanding and maybe you cant grind the game like you could do with WoW or BDO, yet there is still a challenge for someone who seeks it.

Whoa. Let's back this up a second because I really don't appreciate the implications here. You have essentially said women couldn't play difficult games unless they dedicate their lives towards it. Or, conversely, imply that only men want to dedicate a lot of their free time towards video games.

Either way, this is very much a road you don't want to go down.

[ForteNightshade]

She didn't say they shouldn't at all... Just not day one.

The same question still applies those. Why? You may prefer to go in blind, but not everyone does or cares. If you can't find a party for blind prog, then make one yourself. Guide makers are going to release content quickly because the whole intent is catering towards who want them.