Going to the same route as WoW. The game is TOO easy

[Kaitoo]

Also Mr.Happy pointed out, that they could make the classes two button each and people would still find a way to f it up. There will always be the player skill variable

Doesnt that mean the game would be "too hard" with only 2 buttons cause people f up their rotation by that logic and they need to simplfy it?
I dont get what some of your guys argue here, obviously skill level of every individual person on planet earth is different. However you still draw the line somewhere and thats the discussion, did you never play another videogame before?
Most of the most played videogames have quite the difficulty curve in comparison.

[Reeereee]

The irony here is what really separates FFXIV from WoW is the casual content. When the Golden Saucer was packed for the FF15 crossover you never see anything like that in WoW. The story is much better and accessible to everyone. I can have a house with an aquarium filled with fish I caught? I can choose from multiple idling animations? A new hairstyle nearly every major patch?

FFXIV distinguishes itself from WoW primarily by doing casual content with excellence.

If what I wanted was just super hard content then yeah, would go play +25 dungeons and mythic raids from WoW.

[SaitoHikari]

So I decided to look up OP's records.

...You haven't actually done any of the Savage raids. So I'm not sure you're really qualified to be saying that the game is too easy, when you haven't stepped foot into the hardest content the game has to offer.

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I came from a game that pretty much had nothing but raids to look forward to at endgame. Since then, I've come to view FFXIV's apparent, uh, casual-ness as a necessity for maintaining growth in the community. My previous game stagnated hard, because when you make a raid-oriented game, it turns out that eventually growth just stops because the established raid community acts as their own entry barrier. Whether it be cliques, expectations, or even market manipulation. A game centered towards raids more or less means you can't really get anything worthwhile done if you don't play in the same peak hours as the majority of the raiding community either.

[Kaitoo]

So I decided to look up OP's records.

...You haven't actually done any of the Savage raids. So I'm not sure you're really qualified to be saying that the game is too easy, when you haven't stepped foot into the hardest content the game has to offer.

That has nothing to do with ops claim and is gatekeeping. Its also kinda silly, along of the lines of you need to a filmmaker to critize star wars or something

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That has nothing to do with ops claim and is gatekeeping. Its also kinda silly, along of the lines of you need to a filmmaker to critize star wars or something

Except this is different. Hard content exists. Saying the game is easy when never having done any of said content is like saying building rockets and spaceships is easy without ever having been an aerospace engineer.

Your example fails because movies are watchable content. You can critizice the acting, script and such after watching it if there were things you didn't like. What is closer to the topic is saying "star wars is terrible" without ever having watched any of the movies.

The story is easy, like most final fantasy games. Then you have the extra content, which is harder, also like most final fantasy games.

[Noitems]

Except this is different. Hard content exists. Saying the game is easy when never having done any of said content is like saying building rockets and spaceships is easy without ever having been an aerospace engineer.

Your example fails because movies are watchable content. You can critizice the acting, script and such after watching it if there were things you didn't like. What is closer to the topic is saying "star wars is terrible" without ever having watched any of the movies.

The story is easy, like most final fantasy games. Then you have the extra content, which is harder, also like most final fantasy games.

This statement right here. You can criticize anything that's always gonna be an allowed thing. However the moment you make a claim like that the content is easy without doing the harder stuff you lose all credibility.

XIV I would say is full of accessibility. Having it's content tiered and catered to those who have their preferences is what makes it great.

Do you care only about the story? Just do the normal versions of the raids/trials

Do you want something more challenging? Do the EX versions of trials or the savage versions of the raids.

Do you need something even more then that? Do Ultimate.

There's offerings to go for, but if you're not even going to run the hard stuff your complaints are just going to be water off a duck's back.

[ScarboroughFairy]

This statement right here. You can criticize anything that's always gonna be an allowed thing. However the moment you make a claim like that the content is easy without doing the harder stuff you lose all credibility.

Imagine saying DMC (capital M) is too easy...

...while having never done DMD or Hell and Hell.

Alternatively, the sentiment I've gathered can be explained in a hypothetical conversation:

"Baseline content isn't challenging. This game isn't challenging enough."
"Try the harder content!"
"...no."

Is that super reductive? Yeah, but I'm a huge fan of hyperbole.

[Kaitoo]

Except this is different.

If you say its different and dont provide an argument the subject matter doesnt change

Hard content exists.

Literally nobody made the claim hard content doesn't exist. The OP actually pointed that out.
That's strawman and arguing in bad faith

Saying the game is easy when never having done any of said content is like saying building rockets and spaceships is easy without ever having been an aerospace engineer.

No its not. There is an objective measure there. You need certain experience and qualification that its quantified to even build one. You doesn't need anyone of those to play a videogame. Also aeropspace engineers dont "built" rockets or spaceships, btw.

Your example fails because movies are watchable content. You can critizice the acting, script and such after watching it if there were things you didn't like. What is closer to the topic is saying "star wars is terrible" without ever having watched any of the movies.

Thats an oxymoron. I can say star wars is terrible without even know how movies are filmed, because i watched it and it was terrible for me. At the same time i can say this game, that i played, is to easy. I dont need to play this on any difficulty to justify it otherwise.
Its like you cant say a game is bad until you have 100% achievements, cause you dont actually exprienced all of the game, what an insane logic for justifying gatekeeping and ad hominem

The story is easy, like most final fantasy games. Then you have the extra content, which is harder, also like most final fantasy games.

The point of the thread was the opinion that somewhat thought it was to easy. Ironic that you know assume the same authority to most ff games are easy on the story part.

[SaitoHikari]

That has nothing to do with ops claim and is gatekeeping. Its also kinda silly, along of the lines of you need to a filmmaker to critize star wars or something

It's not gatekeeping to ask for one's experience, to counteract an argument made by someone making such a sweeping statement about the game's design without actually experiencing the very content that runs counter to the argument.

And I hope you realize that game design and watching a movie are two entirely different concepts. One requires actual effort, effort that the OP apparently hasn't put forth.

[Myrasil]

That has nothing to do with ops claim and is gatekeeping. Its also kinda silly, along of the lines of you need to a filmmaker to critize star wars or something

I would not say its gatekeeping, his opinion still valid as any opinion really, and your exemple was not a bright one, to critize the movie both people (the filmmaker and the common guys) had to watch the movie to have a more realistic opinion on the matter, so the gatekeep would happen after both said what they think and only the filmmaker would be "valid".
if one of the parts does not watch it, it still consider a valid point? in part yes, but it will not be a realistic review of what it really was.

On topic:
I see a lot of people strugling hard on normal dungeons, ignoring any advice you give to them, god even my friends got shamed for trying to help a green leave "you can't tell me what i need to do" - the normal game difficultie is fine.
And about comunity, oh boy, if you have difficulties on finding a comunnity you must be really trying to not interact with people, tons of FC's around, mentor chat is full, discord hunting community, pvp comunitty, etc...
Its look more you are looking for something to complain about.