Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

Men are typically a bit more muscled than women, but what some ppl say its normal is the 1%< of men. Most men and women are just not physically imposing

No, they're not just a "bit" more muscled, they usually have closer to 40% more upper body strength than women on average - we're not even talking about the tail ends of the distribution, which men tend to cluster around more in due to how selective pressures work in our case. On nearly every measure that is combat-related, men are physically superior. You're taking some woman who is into body-sculpting, comparing her to some dude who isn't, and then trying to insinuate this is the situation the Xaela find themselves in, with their tiny women, and huge men. Forgive me if I find that a trifle silly.

Moreover, even if there wasn't such a difference in physique, you'd have the issue of female child birthing and rearing acting as downtime in regards to how efficient it is to dedicate resources to training up a female.

[Gula]

Doesn't sound like sexism, to me. Just an acknowledgement of the fact that the females are physically less imposing. Their entire tribal concept is to capitalise on that given how the Xaela political system is set up, i.e. trial by combat.

No, it's literally sexism. Run the steppe quests as a woman. Different dialog.

[Senn]

No, it's literally sexism. Run the steppe quests as a woman. Different dialog.

What does the dialogue say?

[Allegor]

men are biologically more inclined to develop muscle mass more than women. They also lose weight quicker, just in their biology. Women who are muscular and all the likes are extreme - they have to work hard for that body. This is if we're going for human biological viewpoints.

And if we apply it to Au Ra dimorphism, well...

It's honestly good Viera weren't AuRa 2.0 so we can get rid of controversies like this /shrug

[zeylos]

No, they're not just a "bit" more muscled, they usually have closer to 40% more upper body strength than women on average - we're not even talking about the tail ends of the distribution, which mean tend to cluster more in due to how selective pressures work in our case. On nearly every measure that is combat-related, men are physically superior. You're taking some woman who is into body-sculpting, comparing her to some dude who isn't, and then trying to insinuate this is the situation the Xaela find themselves in, with their tiny women, and huge men. Forgive me if I find that a trifle silly.

Moreover, even if there wasn't such a difference in physique, you'd have the issue of female child birthing and rearing acting as downtime in regards to how efficient it is to dedicate resources to training up a female.

Ok, just how many men do u think are into body building or are that strong? Most men look like elezen, or even slimmer, unless you go to hollywood that is. Most women look like female elezen (with human proportions) and then, you'd be surprised to see how many woman are that, or more strong and how many men are that, or more weak. Then, this is simply a fantasy game. Do you think we'd have a race of giant children with moustaches and elf ears otherwise?

[SturmChurro]

Male viera probably move big rocks and fallen trees and stuff, so I'm thinking they should get a body like The Mountain.

[Gwenorai]

No, it's literally sexism. Run the steppe quests as a woman. Different dialog.

Yeah, their lines are extremely 'what the heck' but the argument that they wear more revealing clothes has nothing to do with sexism. Unless one of them literally blurts out 'We dress like this to show off the male form, your female form is weak,' and then proceeds to flex. Especially when I remember one of them also saying they'd accept you if you were a male, which was like okay buddy, but then they go back and say that even then you would thoroughly kick their asses - for which I nodded in satisfaction.

Still unsure why the male-only tribe being near naked was brought up as sexism as if it's being put forward that a male Viera not wearing a full body latex suit is sexist if they're revealing the apex of the male form.

[Gula]

What does the dialogue say?

To summarize some instances, one of the Buduga says "shame you are a woman" despite showing a test of strength and the Kahn outright says "We have naught to discuss, woman."

Yeah, their lines are extremely 'what the heck' but the argument that they wear more revealing clothes has nothing to do with sexism.

My post seems to have triggered some people with buzz words and I am clarifying that it does not make sense to put male viera in skimpy clothing for no reason. The Buduga were mentioned, and I explained why it makes sense for them to dress as they do. And they do it to show off the superior (in their minds) male form.

[Gwenorai]

Ok, just how many men do u think are into body building or are that strong? Most men look like elezen, or even slimmer, unless you go to hollywood that is. Most women look like female elezen (with human proportions) and then, you'd be surprised to see how many woman are that, or more strong and how many men are that, or more weak. Then, this is simply a fantasy game. Do you think we'd have a race of giant children with moustaches and elf ears otherwise?

What even is your argument at this point? Even in this game, the most muscle developed female highlander has less biceps than a defined male midlander. The men are more muscular than the females - the only race that isn't like this is the chuffing potatoes.

[zeylos]

To summarize some instances, one of the Buduga says "shame you are a woman" despite showing a test of strength and the Kahn outright says "We have naught to discuss, woman."

I get your point entirely. I suffered a lot because of sexism and not being a 'true man', and those lines are quite disgusting. Woman can be stronger than 90% of men, and ppl should really acknowledge that imo

What even is your argument at this point? Even in this game, the most muscle developed female highlander has less biceps than a defined male midlander.

My point is that this game is a fantasy, and 99% of men dont have a six pac, huge abs or biceps, or are super ripped, in fact, most men look more like k-pop idols than higlanders, and some woman are stronger than most men. I know that women have less muscle mass, but that also makes no sense to use as an argument for a fantasy game on wehre we have bunny ppl with immobile ears attached to them and catgirls in anime schoolgirl outfits wearing an axe and defeating dragons. I'm just saying that I did feel offended by some comments made on this thread, but I won't continue this discussion further to avoid hurting more. I just wanna say that some things that for you might not be a big deal, hurt others