I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Nedkel]

I didn't read through this entire thing, but am I getting the gyst that people are ok playing with those that don't have the wherewithal to learn the games basic functions? Or who are too lazy to gear above sub par? You do realize it's not wrong to expect better of others right? Someone actually said as long as you don't die, you are golden.... GOLDEN? Not mildly inconvenient. Not tolerable. Golden.

The entire game revolves around growing in skill and ability, conquering a ladder of content as high as you possibly can, enjoying yourself along the way, wrapped in a stylish visually pleasing wrapper and topped with a bow of the finest story across all mmos currently. And just because early and entry endgame content can be played with your feet and no forethought means it's acceptable? Care bears gonna Care bear, but boy oh boy this mentality borders on extremism.

Its just a lvling dungeons so chill. xD
Lvling in this game is faster than you are able to give your job a proper gear, and because of it, people run lvling dungeons with anything they have.
Its not the sign of commitment or lack of it, but a weirdly balanced game on those low lvls.
You cant make gils on low lvls, its almost impossible since bots ruined this game economy and even buying a NPC gear that could cost seveal tens of thousands gill for a set could put a good strain on your small budget. Maybe you are sitting at teens of millions of gil, because it was easier to obtain it like 1 year ago, but now tell someone who have just started to play two months ago who is starting new job because he didnt like the one he played for so long and that he has to spend 70k on the accessories at lvl 50 so he could make dungeon 1-2 minutes "faster" lol.

What I don't get is why someone intentionally wants to play badly?

You could understand being inexperienced, slipping up, missing a dex accessory and filling it with a vit one, being new and not realizing your gear was wrong. I'd never kick someone for that. But to actually choose to wear terrible equipment and aggressively defend that choice as a playstyle preference is baffling. How is simply not being bothered to put in effort and expecting a carry a valid "playstyle"?

This has always been one of the things that irks me in easy content in any mmo. The attitude of "it's easy so who cares", then knowingly playing so badly that what should be smooth content becomes a mess. It's nonsense saying it makes zero difference when wipes have happened in almost every instance in the game. This is why we need ilv requirements on dungeons.

Who lied to you that lvling dungeons should be a "easy and smooth" content?
You literally are being queued up with newbies and lvlers who are lacking in a lot of things, expecting anything from it is petty. You have lvl 70 content to play if you want smooth experience, why do you bother to play low lvls? lol

[JackHatchet]

I check players gear, because I want to know what cool glamours they're wearing. I don't inspect everyone.

But I didn't think it was relevant as to why i inspected people. But people seem to get offended that I do for some reason. I don't understand. People can inspect my characters all they want. I didn't play an MMO to be a shut-in.

[JackHatchet]

You do realize that a vast majority of people have duty queue anxiety and that they simply don't want to talk to you and just want you to shut up right?

Those people shouldn't be playing an MMO if they're going to be anti-social and want to impose their anti-social behaviors on others by wanting them to shut-up. Get out of here with that non-sense. This is an MMO--not a library.

[Crystal_Raven]

I kick players every couple of days for this.

Level 65 dungeon and someone has lvl 60 gear or under? Out.
Level 70 dungeon and you're not in full 70 gear, even if it's just the class stuff? Out.
Level 60 dungeon and you're using full level 50 gear? Out.

I'm sorry but personally, I am not here to carry anyone. Besides, 9/10 times when you question these type of people why they are doing that, you will be insulted, overall met with hostility, or the famous "you don't pay my sub."

They're right, I don't pay their sub, what they don't seem to understand is that they don't pay mine either. No one is under any obligation to play with these kinds of people and carry them.

Why do some people defend this behaviour?

I'm sorry but how is wearing terribly under leveled gear or plain and simply the wrong gear acceptable? Why is wasting the time of everyone else in the party acceptable? 1 person isn't more important than the group, it's the other way around.

Wearing the wrong gear is not considered playing your own way.
Wearing level 50 gear in a level 60 dungeon is not considered playing your own way.
No one is asking anyone to be the top players.
No one is asking anyone to minmax and output the highest level of damage possible.
No one is asking for anything out of this world.
We are asking for BASIC COMPETENCE.

[AngelCheese77]

What do you mean when you say you are 'carrying" someone? Honest question here.

Do you mean the person isn't doing anything? Or that you feel you are doing more of the work damage wise?

What if a person has gear 5 levels below the dungeon level, but is working hard to heal or DPS? Is that still them being "carried"?

Or do you just not care and kick, not wanting to even see?

[Kuroka]

I leave or kick if i see 10k less live or way less mana on someone AND the run is unbearable...


Just a few days ago i ran into a healing girl on shiva using no head gear and rather low lv 50 stuff on amdapor... was fun... on another trial i had an heal using lv 50 stuff in a lv 60 trial... and i had lots of ppl doing anima/relic and forgetting to switch...


@ above idm 5, 10,15 or smt, or a bit lower weapon but like i had many times now a 320 wep at the burn is just lazy >_>

[Reinha]

Level 65 dungeon and someone has lvl 60 gear or under? Out.

Shisui gear is identical to augmented Shire gear. The NQ level 64 tank pieces sold by vendors have 2% more defence and 8% less STR and VIT, which is not a good trade. The loss in main stat is similar for dps. Are you expecting players to have crafted HQ level 64 gear? The main scenario doesn't provide enough pieces for all jobs.

[JackHatchet]

I would define a carry if the offending person wasn't good enough to clear the content.

So for example a player that just can't hold their own. A good example is a DPS check like Ifrit Normal's nail. So take someone who's bad, and then try to play it out in your head as both DPS were as equal to the lesser one. If both DPS can pass a check based on the lesser DPS's quality--then no carrying is happening. But if both DPS were bad and they couldn't pass a check--then that person simply shouldn't be there.

A carry is usually implied when another person compensates for a bad person. So using the above example, if you have one really bad DPS on Ifrit's nail, but were compensated by a really good player's DPS--and still got the clear.

While it's very possible for other players to compensate for bad players. The problem is allowing this behavior to become mainstream to the point where 'everyone' is bad, and therefore no one can clear content. You wouldn't want to be the healer or tank in a group with two bad DPS, and wiping on the nail just because they're used to always being carried by someone else. People need to hold their own weight.

And again, as long as both people at their worst can still clear the content--I have no issue. It's just when people are so bad, that they NEED compensation. They're their toxic to their group. Because no one can (nor should they) expect to have a really skilled/geared player in a group just to carry the bad ones.

[JackHatchet]

Another common carry dynamic is the healer/tank combo.

If a tank is really bad--a really good healer can compensate. And vice versa with a bad healer--a good tank can compensate.

The problem again is with cultivating an expectation that people can willingly be bad, because they've become reliant on good players to always compensate for them. People need to be aware that there are repercussions for their laziness.

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And again, to stress it out for the 3rd time. If all players are bad AND THE CONTENT CAN STILL BE CLEARED--then no carrying is happen. So new players shouldn't feel like they need to be masters at the game. Just good enough that they actually justify their spot. And unfortunately, some people aren't justified to be in any duty. They're just toxic performance wise and socially.

And that's why kicks are important.

[guardin]

Yeah yeah, I know that's a loaded header, but hear me out!

I wish Square-Enix would put class restrictions on accessories like they do with the rest of the gear.

I can't tell you guys how many times I'll get into a group with a caster wearing a mix-match of DEX/STR rings and other accessories that don't offer them any use to their class. And to top it all off, literally every-time I've ever mentioned this to someone--the response is always extreme hostility or extreme arrogance.

I'm totally cool with new players who don't know better making mistakes and then willing to learn and improve. That's great, they get a pass, because they're trying! I'd never kick someone for trying.

But man, I ask some folks why they're using a strength ring on their blackmage, and they say it increases their hit chance. I tell them that's not right. And they blow up on me. Those are the people I kick. And I do it way too often for it to just be a fluke. Like once a week often.

Is there a way we can fix this?

this is just sad....like its not even that serious. i hope players kick you for being rude