I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[JunkhogMakison]

I've never been in a position where I personally myself have had to kick someone but IMO unless their outright doing a terrible job or their just taking way to many times trying to grasp a concept in the gameplay department then I personally would not kick them for lacking proper gear.

Though really thanks to the glamor system most people I've met usually have their correct armor and accessories.

[SenorPatty]

remind me to never play with this guy ^ XD I might just wear no accessories to troll him lol

Then he'd kick you for being a troll, not because you're not wearing accessories.

Seems like a lot of people in the thread just stopped dead at the thread title only but refused to read on further.

[JunkhogMakison]

Then he'd kick you for being a troll, not because you're not wearing accessories.

Seems like a lot of people in the thread just stopped dead at the thread title only but refused to read on further.

As people tend to do on most threads loo fortunately we have the select few who actually do engage in good conversation so we can always rely on them.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

I'm talking like at 70 most of the time. I see it the most in the lvl 70 24 man content.

Um. If its 61+ content then they cannot wear accessories/gear that are not prudent to their class. That stopped in HW. If they are wearing HW gear in SB content then yeah you're well within your rights but how is it you're making that judgement in lvl 70 duties? As someone already mentioned, if its ARR then kicking over gear is pretty unnecessary. I can maybe see it in higher-end HW duties but even so... I'm not sure I see the logic of this argument unless you're talking about poorly geared players in lower end content who have classes leveled to 70--those people more than likely know better. If you're talking about lvl 70 duties... They can't accessory swap there. So... What is this really?

[Nedkel]

You do realize that a vast majority of people have duty queue anxiety and that they simply don't want to talk to you and just want you to shut up right? As long as they don't die, what does it matter? Just run the instance and if they keep dying, then either boot them or complete it without reviving them. You think you're taking the high road of saying "it's democratic" but really, are you going in alone or with 2 other people you know? Do people know what they are clicking? Often times people will do a ready check and I can imagine that a vote kick confirmation to be confused with a ready check. I presume you queue for roulettes which is almost always going to have newbies because that's what it's for. Assuming I pass the ilvl check, I could throw away all my accessories and still do perfectly fine in any dungeon or raid because ACC don't matter all that much pre-5.0. Post 5.0 will be a different matter entirely but even then, as long as you don't die from a stack mechanic you are golden in my book.

Just let them play however they want to play. You wouldn't be the first person to carry someone through a dungeon and certainly won't be the last.

To be honest i have far more problems with people who are not playing a correct way than what they wear on their character.
No amount of gear will make my run easier if dps refuse to AOE or dodging red and keep dying or healer to heal, or redmage forgeting he has a revive button.

[Kaizencorr]

I didn't read through this entire thing, but am I getting the gyst that people are ok playing with those that don't have the wherewithal to learn the games basic functions? Or who are too lazy to gear above sub par? You do realize it's not wrong to expect better of others right? Someone actually said as long as you don't die, you are golden.... GOLDEN? Not mildly inconvenient. Not tolerable. Golden.

The entire game revolves around growing in skill and ability, conquering a ladder of content as high as you possibly can, enjoying yourself along the way, wrapped in a stylish visually pleasing wrapper and topped with a bow of the finest story across all mmos currently. And just because early and entry endgame content can be played with your feet and no forethought means it's acceptable? Care bears gonna Care bear, but boy oh boy this mentality borders on extremism.

[NekoNova]

I didn't read through this entire thing, but am I getting the gyst that people are ok playing with those that don't have the wherewithal to learn the games basic functions? Or who are too lazy to gear above sub par? You do realize it's not wrong to expect better of others right? Someone actually said as long as you don't die, you are golden.... GOLDEN? Not mildly inconvenient. Not tolerable. Golden.

The entire game revolves around growing in skill and ability, conquering a ladder of content as high as you possibly can, enjoying yourself along the way, wrapped in a stylish visually pleasing wrapper and topped with a bow of the finest story across all mmos currently. And just because early and entry endgame content can be played with your feet and no forethought means it's acceptable? Care bears gonna Care bear, but boy oh boy this mentality borders on extremism.

borders on extemism?
You mean how a certain group of people expects Ultimate Bahamut proficiency in a random duty finder group?

[JBee]

Yeah yeah, I know that's a loaded header, but hear me out!

I wish Square-Enix would put class restrictions on accessories like they do with the rest of the gear.

I can't tell you guys how many times I'll get into a group with a caster wearing a mix-match of DEX/STR rings and other accessories that don't offer them any use to their class. And to top it all off, literally every-time I've ever mentioned this to someone--the response is always extreme hostility or extreme arrogance.

I'm totally cool with new players who don't know better making mistakes and then willing to learn and improve. That's great, they get a pass, because they're trying! I'd never kick someone for trying.

But man, I ask some folks why they're using a strength ring on their blackmage, and they say it increases their hit chance. I tell them that's not right. And they blow up on me. Those are the people I kick. And I do it way too often for it to just be a fluke. Like once a week often.

Is there a way we can fix this?

So when you load up in DF you examine your group mates' gear to see if you want to keep them? And then someone is wrong on the internet so better remove them?

Dude.

[Hash_Browns]

So when you load up in DF you examine your group mates' gear to see if you want to keep them? And then someone is wrong on the internet so better remove them?

Dude.

Yes, if, for example, I go into the duty finder & into a level 60 dungeon with someone who wears level 50 gear, they will be removed from the dungeon.

If you can't grasp the basics of the game, you shouldn't be expected to be carried. More so over when the person wearing the wrong gear is corrected, and they try to act like they are right. The "you don't pay my sub" attitude needs to die off.

[Liam_Harper]

Just let them play however they want to play.

What I don't get is why someone intentionally wants to play badly?

You could understand being inexperienced, slipping up, missing a dex accessory and filling it with a vit one, being new and not realizing your gear was wrong. I'd never kick someone for that. But to actually choose to wear terrible equipment and aggressively defend that choice as a playstyle preference is baffling. How is simply not being bothered to put in effort and expecting a carry a valid "playstyle"?

This has always been one of the things that irks me in easy content in any mmo. The attitude of "it's easy so who cares", then knowingly playing so badly that what should be smooth content becomes a mess. It's nonsense saying it makes zero difference when wipes have happened in almost every instance in the game. This is why we need ilv requirements on dungeons.