Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

I dont. I was one of those who supported this thread from the beginning, I told people to stop the wishful thinking and to keep up the facts, but this thread reached now 650 pages? Its all good and great, but reading the posts just makes me facepalm. Sorry, but if this is how people behave and demand something this crazy, then sorry. My support ends here and I do not have a problem to be against it. If SE implements them now, those very same people will make same entitled demands on the forums. This will just keep going til they get what they want. And I for myself, do not support such behavior.

This thread isnt a support thread since long ago.

So you don't want SE to add male Viera because some people don't say things in a way of which you approve? Right.

I'd also call on you to be a bit more specific.

It'll be interesting to see, should they add them, if you're one of the first people to change to one.

Who speak about "now" though? There are people who are unrealistic in time question, but not because they are crazy, they just do not know what amount of time even simple drafts can take. Some people do not even know that we have more than 8.000 armor items (and I didn't count weapons here). But when you see people like this - it's up to you to open their eyes with links to database (to show how much clothes we have) and explaining that "big company" <> "make things in one day". If they do not understand after explaining - that's another moment, just ignore them then.

When people say about 6.0 - there actually is a sense in it. Because in 6.0 we already will have more than 10.000 armor items. It will become 12.000 in 7.0 and 14.000 in 8.0, and more, and more, and more. So if they are going to implement them, it's better to do it sooner than later, but it's not up to us to decide anyway. Same goes to graphic adjustments btw - longer they wait, harder it will be to do. But about this Yoshi already said that it's not on the table at least until PS5 time, so welp.

Although I agree with your points, he didn't quite say that - it's more that they're paying attention to where future technologies are headed rather than specifically the PS5 and its specs, although obviously that is part of it. Also, it's worth remembering as developers that they get earlier access to the console than we do as consumers, so they can begin planning sooner.

Source:

Q: Does your graphics R&D include the eventual PS5?

Yoshida: Rather than specs, we're researching where the graphical trends are going. Like, what we absolutely need to use in order to stand a chance against the West. We have staff speaking at CEDEC too, and their research is quite deep. If you do your research well, then you'll be able to handle any hardware specs that come out, so we're looking at the technology base rather than specs.

Even if it were based on the PS5's release date, that should be next year, meaning it'll be another year or so until 6.0 releases anyway.

[Theodric]

It would be silly not to add them because of 'entitlement'. A vocal minority of viera supporters are being entitled but many of us pushing for them to be added have been pretty consistent about tempering their expectations. We've also taken a firm stance against the more abhorrent suggestions that some have attempted to sneak in alongside other requests.

Most of us are well aware and accepting of the fact that there's no guarantee for them to be added. I don't see why they simply should not be added because a vocal minority behave poorly. By that logic, no new content should be added to the game because when you look at requests for PvP, PvE and other game elements it isn't long before you see the same behaviour present there too.

[Lauront]

Yes, and no content with issues to smooth out, like Eureka, should ever be modified or fixed, because some people took an entitled stance to it.

[Halivel]

Although I agree with your points, he didn't quite say that - it's more that they're paying attention to where future technologies are headed rather than specifically the PS5 and its specs, although obviously that is part of it. Also, it's worth remembering as developers that they get earlier access to the console than we do as consumers, so they can begin planning sooner.

Well, he mentioned a lot of important things in few interviews. Not only where technologies will go, but also what kind of computers players use - they can't just throw to us 300% Graphic Update when about half of community plays on low/minimal settings even with recent graphic. Thanks for the link by the way.

[Lauront]

Well, he mentioned a lot of important things in few interviews. Not only where technologies will go, but also what kind of computers players use - they can't just throw to us 300% Graphic Update when about half of community plays on low/minimal settings even with recent graphic. Thanks for the link by the way.

Yes, however the texture upgrade alone would yield big dividends. More general graphics upgrades can also take advantage of optional toggles, after all, and as he detailed, the game is already at PS3 levels in some areas, so I think they've yet to reach the point where the minimum PC spec their playerbase has is the bottleneck, as opposed to the high res texture asset conversion. I'm confident we'll see the minimum spec go up for 6.0 regardless, but we'll see what they decide to do with the textures.

[Brightmore]

It would be silly not to add them because of 'entitlement'. A vocal minority of viera supporters are being entitled but many of us pushing for them to be added have been pretty consistent about tempering their expectations. We've also taken a firm stance against the more abhorrent suggestions that some have attempted to sneak in alongside other requests.

Most of us are well aware and accepting of the fact that there's no guarantee for them to be added. I don't see why they simply should not be added because a vocal minority behave poorly. By that logic, no new content should be added to the game because when you look at requests for PvP, PvE and other game elements it isn't long before you see the same behaviour present there too.

Heavy word you picked my dear Theo.
In every business one thing to attract the client is about it being close to it's reality or how one envision life, values.
Their expectation on how ain't better than ours, it is as it is. We may disagree, but act on violence will only lead to old arguments that will take us out of our aim.
Here's a quote from Yoshida in a interview to Kotaku about unlocking clothes gender that can be applied to everything:

..."In terms of values and our players, it’s a time when there’s a lot of changes in perspectives, but we can’t ignore the people who refuse to make changes in their values. There may be players who do not want to see male players wear attire that’s traditionally worn on females...We do want to respect freedom of self expression and that people want to dress the same way, but we do need to consider and be mindful of those who look at people dressed in a certain way and manage how they perceive things."...

[Lauront]

Yes, except their decision not to add the missing genders was not predicated on such concerns, but on how much resource they're willing to expend on it at the time being. So I don't see it as particularly relevant, and the fact that some people would not want to see male Hrothgar or female Viera, for example, posed no obstacle to them adding those races. It's really neither here nor there.

I also fail to see how "violence" factors into it.

[Brightmore]

Yes, except their decision not to add the missing genders was not predicated on such concerns, but on how much resource they're willing to expend on it at the time being. So I don't see it as particularly relevant, and the fact that some people would not want to see male Hrothgar or female Viera, for example, posed no obstacle to them adding those races. It's really neither here nor there.

I also fail to see how "violence" factors into it.

The missing genders was really a bad choice that hit hard. If was about the tweak on gear or anything else, it hit le toe.
The violence factor was the word chosen, you can not agree with someone and had other ideals... and also can say that without being abbrasive.
We are all here supporting for the race, if one hit the other without arguments that is relevant for what we stand it will only attract bad feedback.

[Lauront]

Yes, well I don't subscribe to the mindset that you can equate words with violence, and in fact I consider it extremely misguided and shortsighted to even try and make such a conflation.

[seros]

Calling people entitled and then saying they don't deserve something. The hypocrisy on these forums never ceases to amaze me.