The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[van_arn]

*Efficient, but good to know that if I ever see your name, the tank is going to be kicked the second they make a mistake because you'd rather have "fun" then let them have theirs.

As long as they don't mind being rescued into groups of mobs if they start to lag behind, they're safe. I'll even keep an exceptionally bad tank around if the tank acts like a whole new world is opening to them; some tanks don't even consider it might be possible for the healer to offtank until they see an obstinate one push them to see it firsthand.

Was so happy to see rescue is coming back in 5.0.

[van_arn]

And its now slower without the tank because now you have to heal spam a squishy target sounds like its better then sucking it up i guess.

It is better, because healtanking is a heck of a lot more fun than a tank terrified of his own shadow. Especially in later levels.

For everyone but the tank, of course, but the tank got kicked so they don't matter until they can come back with aoe.

[Hash_Browns]

But you CAN have trouble with mechanics if you're new to the dungeon. It's not that hard to comprehend. We were all new to these things once. Stop being holier than thou and realize this. This goes double when you're doing public roulettes - especially the leveling ones. You're going to be put with new people, and they might not know how things work. As a healer you of all people should be trying to HELP them, not hurt them. And where in any of my posts did I say you should carry a blatantly afking tank? Did I say anything about "netflix" in any of my posts in this whole entire forum? I swear, for a healer your mentality is not very helpful.

I made it clear very early in the thread, although I haven't touched up on it since - small pulls are acceptable for new players, low level content, or content that the tank is new too.

[SoulEchelon]

As long as they don't mind being rescued into groups of mobs if they start to lag behin-

Yeah you're definitely not a team player, and I'm done with this conversation.

[van_arn]

Yeah you're definitely not a team player, and I'm done with this conversation.

I'm very much a team player, since I can't kick without my team. And my teams understand exactly what I'm doing, why it works, and enjoy the novelty of fighting a tank's ego by styling on them.

That's why it's so easy to kick a tank once they start to balk.

[Hash_Browns]

Yeah you're definitely not a team player, and I'm done with this conversation.

IMO, seems like what you think is that the tank = team leader, which is not the case.

There is no I in tank, or team...

[Fynlar]

You won't teach someone a lesson by letting him die on purpose.

You sure as hell won't teach him a lesson by bailing him out every time he (intentionally) pulls for you, thereby letting him know it's perfectly okay to do it.

[van_arn]

You sure as hell won't teach him a lesson by bailing him out every time he (intentionally) pulls for you, thereby letting him know it's perfectly okay to do it.

That's a dangerous game, because if you just watch while three other people kill the adds -- and they survive without you -- you've just confirmed to three separate people that you aren't really needed.

Fertile soil for two of the three to realize you're useless, and then kick.

Granted it works the other way too-- if someone dies, then you have a better chance of kicking the puller. But we're talking about normal modes here; not too hard to keep people up.

Not to mention it's a lot more appealing for a DPS player to kick the tank than to kick the healer, if it comes down to that.

[SoulEchelon]

IMO, seems like what you think is that the tank = team leader, which is not the case.

There is no I in tank, or team...

IMO, seems like you like to assume things. The tank is supposed to lead the dungeon, yes. But it's a group effort. No one is the actual leader. The tank goes first because they're supposed to aggro everything. Stop putting words into my mouth.

Edit: You know what? I take that back. The tank IS the leader. They go in first. They initiate battle first. They dictate the run's flow. But that doesn't make them any more or less important than everyone else. And saying "there's no I in team" makes absolutely zero sense in anything that has been stated by me in this thread. All this time I've been advocating TEAM effort. TEAMwork. At this point you're just cobbling up buzzwords. A team leader works with the team. It is not all on their shoulders.

[Awha]

Yeah you're definitely not a team player, and I'm done with this conversation.

Maybe I simply do not know the meaning of being a team player but to me being a team player is working with the overall group. Just because someone is new that does not give them a free pass, if the group simply does not want to deal with a new player they are free to try and remove said player. Sure it is a dick move, but no one is obligated to teach or hold anothers hand through content.

I think they are being a team player, expecting certain concessions to be made because they are new to me is not being a team player. While I have not been forcibly kicked as a tank for being new I have been asked by a group if it would be okay if they removed me since they saw I was not very comfortable with larger pulls when I started. I simply left and apologized for holding them back. Willfully holding a group of strangers back either because one does not feel comfortable or lacks the experience since like a messed up thing to do. In my eyes that is.