The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[Vahlnir]

This is why I keep my interactions with other players to a minimum. There's always someone with that passive aggressive attitude with their pettiness meter dialed in to 9999. I've lost count of number of tanks that have felt to need to punish other players or myself over nonsense.

If you accidentally pull...
If you intentionally pull...
If you walk in front of...
If you do too much damage (even with diversion)...
If you trigger boss spawn cutscene...
"...you tank it then!"

Have to tip-toe around people like they are surrounded by eggshells, glass, and legos used as caltrops.

It's not being petty if the pulls are being done intentionally. Party etiquette usually dictates that the tank must be the puller. Mistakes happen and people are not perfect. I think all tanks should be able to understand that at least. But their job is to pull and take most of the damage so others don't have to. Making their job harder helps no one. Dps doing too much damage or other players stepping in AoEs? That's something that might be a bit petty for tanks to get upset over. That's not really their concern. Might be the healer's though.

[TheMightyMollusk]

If someone pulls something by accident, I'll take it. It happens. If they want me to pull bigger, I'd prefer they just ask, though. I tend to be lazy, but I'll go for it if the party wants. As long as the healer can handle it, I'm game.

Unless they're running around like their backside is on fire. I will not drag everything else out of Salted Earth and make the rest of the party adjust in order to chase you down, bards. I will imagine some Benny Hill music to accompany you, though.

[Vahlnir]

If someone pulls something by accident, I'll take it. It happens. If they want me to pull bigger, I'd prefer they just ask, though. I tend to be lazy, but I'll go for it if the party wants. As long as the healer can handle it, I'm game.

Unless they're running around like their backside is on fire. I will not drag everything else out of Salted Earth and make the rest of the party adjust in order to chase you down, bards. I will imagine some Benny Hill music to accompany you, though.

Exactly. Adapting to the needs of the party is a good thing. It's when someone in the party who isn't the tank takes it upon themselves without saying a word that annoys me. If someone asks a tank to speed up, most of the time they will comply. But they have to, you know, ask, and not go pulling groups ahead of the tank.

[Reeereee]

It varies? I feel like 98% of my dungeon trash deaths are in the 47-69 leveling dungeons. I can't remember the last time I saw someone die on trash in Expert Roulette.

[Misutoraru]

Tank set the lead and how big the pull in a dungeon not the DPS not the Heal
if anyone feel the tank is pulling too little, there is a thing call "Ask/communicate"
and if i know i can heal with bigger pull, i will ask if the tank is comfortable, because it is a MMO
the tank know his/her skill level and gear progression, and so heal would also know if he/she can handle the heal
if the DPS accidentally pull some mob, i will heal them, however, if they intentionally pull a pack without asking anyone in the party
and I execute my right not to heal those DPS who pull ahead of Tank

if I am tanking, i know how many mob i could handle and i know how well I understand the dungeon. I will grab the extra pack for once or twice and told the DPS not to do so. If it happen again, they can sleep on cold hard ground and i will only grab those extra pack when the aggro shift to heal or the other healer. If you ask, and Heal agree, i will give it a try to test water see if me and heal can handle

as a DPS I will attack any mob that Tank have aggro and wont touch anything that tank do not have aggro

at the end if anyone lack the simplest skill of communication, i think those are better off running dungeon with NPC

[BiffWellington]

However, some also argue that if the tank is going too slow, they have the right to pull faster if everyone but the tank wants to go fast.

Well, of course you have the right to pull mobs as a non-tank; it's your dungeon, too, after all. But just having the right to do something, and the ability, doesn't mean you should.

You also have the right to stroll into work and tell your boss to go and... perform a certain anatomically impossible feat. Most people would tell you that that's not a good idea, either.

I wouldn't exactly say it's never a good idea to pull more mobs for the tank, but I will say that circumstances where it is a good idea are probably pretty rare. And I'm pretty sure nobody would think less of you for letting that particular sort of opportunity pass you by.

[Misurugi]

i've seen this as all three roles.. hell seen at as every bloody class... as a tank.. my thought is as thus... healer's dpsing too much.. PULL MORE... as a dps.. more often then not i am a rdm.. i pull hate.. VERCURE SUCKERS... and that's after i enmity dump or use diversion.. i've been yelled at for not doing much dmg at the start of a boss fight.. why? i've ripped hate off of tanks like they aren't even doing anything so i take it easy until I CAN go hog wild...

as a healer.. i see a tank going slow.. i tell um.. you got a great healer get some confidence i can take big pull.. now.. i've seen bad tanks.. i've seen mediocre tanks.. i've seen great tanks.. hell i've seen tanks so damn terrible with nimrod dps who don't know what the hell that big orange thing on the ground is... i've played instructor to many a tank.. normal mode =1 button.. yeah.. uh hu.... i wonder why it is.. it takes so long for the roulette's to pop... oh wait.. NO BLOODY TANKS...

the amount of tanks that are considered decent.. 20% of them out there.. great tanks? 10%.. at least another 20% of the tanks out there are trash and don't give any flying ****s.. the last 50%? tanks that need guidance, help with their class, learning the ins and outs of the trade.. saying git gud scrub defeats the purpose, they are trying to. I do believe that a tank should be the one who dictates the pull.. i've had many wipes due to nimrods whom went herp a dur you're not pulling enough.. they pull more.. my buffs are on CD, oh look... the healer is low on mp.. can't heal the dumb dps I've got no tp.. no problem in the next patch.. no mp? oh now we have a problem... group wipes.. now we have to take even longer to complete because ppl got impatient...

sigh... regardless of the matter.. patience and communication goes a very long way... you want better ques? help the newbe tanks out instead of bashing um down and lumping them in with the actual garbage and.. I don't know.. HELP THEM LEARN THEIR JOB

[kazzel120]

Tank is the least useful role in normal modes, so if they can't push one button to do their one job

Erm what? Do you seriously believe this?

As a tank main who does mass pulls this is the absolute most wtf thing ive seen have fun doing 3 dps 1 healer mass pulls then if you honestly believe this.

Also I'd like to add idk how many times I've personally had healers that can't handle mass pulls and I'm talking only healing me as i blow through cd after cd not to mention 5 or more Blackest Nights and dark arts Abyssal spam still cant keep me alive.

Then i adjust to smaller pulls if you want to pull extra crap you can tank it then.

[Tint]

I once had this group...

The one DD was a bit longer in cutscene at the start of the dungeon. Healer was casting protect on me (tank), the other DD and himself. When the barrier dropped I thought I should wait a moment so the healer can apply protect to the DD who was longer in cutscene... but nooope.

As soon as the barrier dropped the healer and the one DD started a race to the first group and pulled, running to the next group and pulled that one too, and then the healer used rescue on me.

I mean I am not going slow by any means, I do big pulls, I use sprint, but apparently I was still going too slow for this group >.>


However, I always grab aggro, but sometimes not before the DD has dropped to >20% life to give him a little heart attack. And when the healer pulls for me I stop using defense cds. Shall he work a little harder if he wants to...

[Endeleon]

I guess at the end of the day, I just don't understand the DPS that rush tanks and pull enemies, because uh... why? If you want to set the pace of the dungeon, and pull enemies, maybe go in as a tank? Faster queue times too...