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  1. #6191
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    I personally don't understand where the "they are supposed to be elegant" thing comes from given the lore of the males in this game. I obviously don't think they are bruttish bodybuilders. But something about "kill first, ask questions later; No trespassers, no outsiders" just doesn't mix well with elegance in my mind. If anything I see them more Tarzan-alike with anime hair.
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    I’m waiting to see what concept art Yoshi’s team come up with, if they do. Then at least we can see where they’re going with the words they use. The SE team will be concerned about what is likely to be played at decent levels to justify the cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly View Post
    I personally don't understand where the "they are supposed to be elegant" thing comes from.
    It's because Yoshida described them as such in an interview.

    "If we did create a male design for the Viera, he would be quite elegant, handsome, and slim. He would look more like the Elezen race, but with bunny ears."
    https://www.usgamer.net/articles/fin...r-trust-system

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    I’m waiting to see what concept art Yoshi’s team come up with, if they do. Then at least we can see where they’re going with the words they use. The SE team will be concerned about what is likely to be played at decent levels to justify the cost.
    I'd like to see new concept art, too. I mean, I like the ones we have already. Both the 3 male viera standing in a row, and the one that displays the chest fur.

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    They really don't look like that, aside from the skin color. We all know we will have the option to change skin tones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I think they would benefit from compromising and pushing for something similar to the specific artwork depicted in the signature of Lauront .
    I don't want something like in that signature. Nothing about it conveys viera's elegance, their mysteriousness, or the magical/fantasy woodland aspect of this race to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I think lalafell are more to your tastes
    Where did you even get this idea? LOL
    The concept art seems to just be a sketch really. I adjusted the position of the shoulder and it looks fine to me


    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    @senn that’s fine but I don’t think they’ll make them quite as exotic as you’d like, and I consider the dude in my sig to be a pretty good and realistic counter part to the females.
    Disagreed. They will most likely look like the concept art, not like your signature which is much more bulky.

    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly View Post
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    I don't think it's a weird choice of words personally. I expect the males to be elegant like the females.
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    Last edited by Senn; 06-07-2019 at 03:26 PM.

  4. #6194
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    No, I like them in that concept art.
    I also like them in this concept art:

    I like the ones on the right side, too. Their face is similar to the typical viera facial structure. They have an air of mystery about them like many woodland creatures of folklore, and also a certain elegance to them. To me, viera fit a fantasy, magical, woodland creature trope. I think a hulking, brutish looking viera doesn't really fit the theme.

    They are not as buff as the picture Theodore posted shows. They look lean and fit in the concept art, and I think it's perfect. Elegant isn't a buzzword, and considering your character model choice, I'm sure you have your own bias, as do I.
    Yeah...


    Aliens with hair.
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  5. #6195
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly View Post
    I personally don't understand where the "they are supposed to be elegant" thing comes from given the lore of the males in this game. I obviously don't think they are bruttish bodybuilders. But something about "kill first, ask questions later; No trespassers, no outsiders" just doesn't mix well with elegance in my mind. If anything I see them more Tarzan-alike with anime hair.
    I believe they intend it in the sense that a wood elf is ‘elegant’. Ie agile and ready to pounce.
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  6. #6196
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    I think that 'slim' is a highly subjective term and may carry different meaning when translated into English. Compared to Hrothgar and Roegadyn it is not a stretch to consider Midlander men to be 'slim' but they are still fairly bulky and depicted as such in concept art, cinematics and also within the game itself.

    I do not think there is a strong demand for the unusual proportions that is being suggested by some posters within this thread. I think they would benefit from compromising and pushing for something similar to the specific artwork depicted in the signature of Lauront and numerous other posters, as that is seeing much more support and appreciation.
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  7. #6197
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    It's because Yoshida described them as such in an interview.

    "If we did create a male design for the Viera, he would be quite elegant, handsome, and slim. He would look more like the Elezen race, but with bunny ears."
    https://www.usgamer.net/articles/fin...r-trust-system
    That makes sense. Still I think it's a weird choice of words for a race in which the males are basically "doomed" to life of hardship, intensive training that often might lead to death and protection of an entire colony of females from invaders. The elezen part I can totally see, because Au Ra have some elezen-esque features as well. Even elves for the most part are only seen as elegance because of the snobish attitude and because most of em are associated with royalty and ancient sacred magics.
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  8. #6198
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    I believe they intend it in the sense that a wood elf is ‘elegant’. Ie agile and ready to pounce.
    That would also make sense if elegance is used in a way to depict finesse. I just feel like a lot of people are taking elegance = bunnymen striking a pose and looking fierce. Which, to me, is weird as hell considering their background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly View Post
    That would also make sense if elegance is used in a way to depict finesse. I just feel like a lot of people are taking elegance = bunnymen striking a pose and looking fierce. Which, to me, is weird as hell considering their background.
    I think they should mirror felines to a degree. A tiger can look very elegant and fierce when prowling through the jungle stalking prey - which is exactly what male viera are described as doing for a living. They also live in isolation for the most part so I doubt they will be overly concerned with presenting themselves as 'graceful' in the way some are suggesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    I don't want something like in that signature. Nothing about it conveys viera's elegance, their mysteriousness, or the magical/fantasy woodland aspect of this race to me.
    I'm not surprised, given your apparent tastes. At any rate, I don't think there is much appetite for male viera to be designed in the way that you are suggesting. I think lalafell are more to your tastes if what you desire is an unusually proportioned playable race with the capability for very androgynous design elements.
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    Last edited by Theodric; 06-07-2019 at 03:21 PM.

  10. #6200
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly View Post
    That would also make sense if elegance is used in a way to depict finesse. I just feel like a lot of people are taking elegance = bunnymen striking a pose and looking fierce. Which, to me, is weird as hell considering their background.
    Yeah, finesse would be a better word.

    @senn that’s fine but I don’t think they’ll make them quite as exotic as you’d like, and I consider the dude in my sig to be a pretty good and realistic counter part to the females.
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