Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Theodric]

I wasn't stating that it is limited to this thread. I'm just stating that between people explicitly asking for such things here and Yoshi-P making a statement on the matter there is now an air of negativity surrounding the addition of male viera.

I think the gender lock is silly and I hope that the missing genders are added someday. I've consistently said as much throughout the thread.

I don't disagree with the theory that some people are coming into the thread to deliberately stir the pot. Yet at the same time, I think it's worth looking at this thread from the perspective of an outside observer and pondering why such is happening.

[Allegor]

See, when you describe someone as youthful, slim, androgynous, and as short as a female Au Ra (4'8)....can you really blame anyone for instantly thinking you're describing a child/preteen? The fact people kept using Alphy as reference was only fuel to the fire.

[Amnmaat]

You've more or less answered your own questions, mate. At least leave me something to respond to.

There were people in the earlier pages (and on Reddit here and there) who stated Yoshi-P lied. When I asked for a source, I was never given one, or given a "he implied they were never gonna do it again, thus promise broken!" type of excuse.

So why do you bring them up when they're not in this discussion anymore? No one's calling SE liars just because they expect male Viera by 6.0.

[dustdjinn]

See, when you describe someone as youthful, slim, androgynous, and as short as a female Au Ra (4'8)....can you really blame anyone for instantly thinking you're describing a child/preteen? The fact people kept using Alphy as reference was only fuel to the fire.

This is the double standards I'm talking about. Why is it a female character is allowed to be all of these things but men can't? If you have no problem with one and you do with the other how are you not a hypocrite? Not every man is a huge beefy dude! Some of us MEN are 5'6" and a 120 pounds with a young face at 22, we are still men and if we want a character that represents us that is okay. You added a stigma to that body not us!

Ultimately I never wanted that body type. I want something to match the females but the thinly veiled hypocrisy is so clear! The fact that people USED children to discredit other people opinion is repugnant.

[Theodric]

It's a bit more complicated than something to brush off as double standards. I don't care much for the design of au ra women myself. I think they're far too delicate and short for what they're meant to be. I've seen others say the same. Ultimately, though, I only play male characters and as such it's largely irrelevant to me. I'm much more concerned with the design for male viera as if they ended up being to my liking then I'd be willing to play one.

Options already exist for those who want to create a short and young looking male character already.

[Senn]

Not every man is a huge beefy dude! Some of us MEN are 5'6" and a 120 pounds with a young face at 22, we are still men and if we want a character that represents us that is okay.

Exactly this.

[dustdjinn]

It's a bit more complicated than something to brush off as double standards. I don't care much for the design of au ra women myself. I think they're far too delicate and short for what they're meant to be. I've seen others say the same. Ultimately, though, I only play male characters and as such it's largely irrelevant to me. I'm much more concerned with the design for male viera as if they ended up being to my liking then I'd be willing to play one.

Options already exist for those who want to create a short and young looking male character already.

Dude you could say the same thing about tall male characters! The real point is viera males will never look like a kid so people need to stop pulling out that card to shame male viera supporters. People aren't attacking people that want female Ronzo on that thread like they do us and its because people have a grudge against men appearing weak or sexy because men have to be huge I guess. These people also say "cat bois need to be deleted" or that we only want male viera for ERP but EVERYONE can see the most popular ERP characters are FEMALE Au Ra and Miqote. Its all excuses to devalue us and we are letting them by fighting each other instead of sticking together.

[Senn]

Dude you could say the same thing about tall male characters!

Also this. If he's going to make that argument, then I'll say we have "classically handsome" races already like highlander, and this race seems to have the body type some of these people are asking for lol Midlander would fall under this as well I guess?

Honestly, I don't think the smaller male viera will be a thing, if we ever get male viera to begin with. However, I do hope they are slim like in the concept art and minafumi's work. Although elezen are slim, their proportions are odd. Not many people play them because of this reason, so I do think there's still a niche that is going unfulfilled for the people who want a slim and elegant character. I think male viera could be what elezen couldn't be.

[Amnmaat]

But hijacking a race just to make them look like you body wise is wrong. This race has a lore and a counterpart (female Viera) to be based off. You guys are trying to impose your "feminine" body/face into this race specifically, that's wrong. Others like Theodric are working within the boundaries of what the Viera race is; jungle warriors who die training in the jungle who are TALL and strong, specially the men. The females mostly stay in the village and fight when necessary. But the men.....the men protect the jungle with their lives 24/7. There's no way they would look "feminine" and skinnier than Elezen (Yes, OmegaM is skinnier than Elezen).

Hence this picture


If Elezen body and baby faces is what you want then male Elezen is right there for the taking! Make your own Aymeric/Estinien.

[Senn]

working within the boundaries of what the Viera race is

We're not hijacking, and I'm also working within the boundaries of what the viera race is. See minafumi's artwork and the concept art. Also, that squished edit you made doesn't prove anything. It's not done well, and the proportions look weird.