Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[dustdjinn]

See, when you describe someone as youthful, slim, androgynous, and as short as a female Au Ra (4'8)....can you really blame anyone for instantly thinking you're describing a child/preteen? The fact people kept using Alphy as reference was only fuel to the fire.

This is the double standards I'm talking about. Why is it a female character is allowed to be all of these things but men can't? If you have no problem with one and you do with the other how are you not a hypocrite? Not every man is a huge beefy dude! Some of us MEN are 5'6" and a 120 pounds with a young face at 22, we are still men and if we want a character that represents us that is okay. You added a stigma to that body not us!

Ultimately I never wanted that body type. I want something to match the females but the thinly veiled hypocrisy is so clear! The fact that people USED children to discredit other people opinion is repugnant.

[Senn]

Not every man is a huge beefy dude! Some of us MEN are 5'6" and a 120 pounds with a young face at 22, we are still men and if we want a character that represents us that is okay.

Exactly this.

[Allegor]

This is the double standards I'm talking about. Why is it a female character is allowed to be all of these things but men can't? If you have no problem with one and you do with the other how are you not a hypocrite? Not every man is a huge beefy dude! Some of us MEN are 5'6" and a 120 pounds with a young face at 22, we are still men and if we want a character that represents us that is okay. You added a stigma to that body not us!

Ultimately I never wanted that body type. I want something to match the females but the thinly veiled hypocrisy is so clear! The fact that people USED children to discredit other people opinion is repugnant.

When did I say I have no problem with females being like that? Nothing of the description I mentioned points out a specific gender so don't put words in my mouth. People DID use Alphinaud and Alisaie as reference, they explicitly said so, so it's not used to discredit someone's opinion they literally wanted to play a child-like character. That's why the whole debate started and probably most of it has been deleted to bury the topic since Yoshi P himself had to stand up and say No.

Point is, short + slim + youthful + androgynous = looks like a minor = definitely a no no from SE. Lalas can [debatably] pass because they don't look like kids, they're some chibi looking dwarf race.

Also I love how more than once it seems that because I play a Roe I have no right to speak in this matter. Fun fact - I'm 5'3 irl, but I digress.