Not feeling comfortable on my current data centre Chaos(EU). Thinking of transfering.

[Schan]

I know this might enrage a few people here, but so far, whenever a run is going bad, or the healer behaves strangely, or the tank does stop every 2 meters for 10 seconds - I press "O" - the party window - and see "F", "F" and "F". It became a meme, a running gag that is true in 9 out of 10 cases...

French players being a very weird species. In ever game. 2007, when I played MapleStory, the French ones were outright irritating. In League of Legends, don't ask. I know what "FDP" and "TG" means now and also how it's pronounced...
In FF14 however, despite the "What is this guy even trying" person you might encounter, I had a bunch speaking English despite not having "E" ticked in their profile. They listened, they learned and... they improved!

French is not the only language where FDP stands for an insult. If I'm not mistaken Portuguese means the exact same with the same first letters.
The meme extends to German players as well for some reason. the 5 nationalities that are generalized into being bad are usually French, German, Spanish, Brazilian and Russian. at least from what i can see on the internet.
Also there are French players scattered across every server so changing DC will allow the OP to avoid them if that's what you're aiming for. Lastly this is not a thread to bash the French. I don't understand the point of your first paragraph.

As much as I have anedotal evidence most of my bad experiences come from players from Zodiark and Cerberus. Probably because I have an higher tolerance to bad play over bad atitude. I can help fix bad play. I can't help fix bad atitude.

[Sagittarii]

I'm a USA player on a NA server, so I don't think I fully understand how things work on the EU side. I find it strange that you think a French player should speak English. If I was dealing with French players, my expectation would be that they will speak French and if I encountered them a lot, I would try to learn some French so I could talk to them. I would also try to make extensive use of the auto-translate feature.

I've met a few French players on my server and they all speak English, but I think they're probably an exception to the rule. I doubt a French player would choose to play on an NA server if they couldn't or didn't want to speak English, since most of the NA players are native English speakers.

[shaiel]

I actually transferred my main toon recently to Louisoux from Aether. And my other character's still on NA. My biggest concern was what you mentioned - having duties or being in a community where I don't understand other people because they don't speak English. So far though, everyone has been speaking English in all my duties, even though sometimes we have to use auto translate function. Did you try using auto translate? I know it's not as personal as your own message might be, but I've found that it's sufficient for communicating. I'm honestly surprised how many options there are and not just greetings for the auto translate function. I also noticed sometimes people's English is different from mine (I'm from America) in text chat and like being in voice chat / discord with my free company I have to listen closer and pay more attention because some words are used a little differently even though we understand each other & we're both speaking English. Overall though, yeah, I've had no communication problems. There's been some toxic / draggy runs in duty finder for me but that happens in any datacenter and any multiplayer online game. Honestly if those toxic people just spoke another language it would be less annoying than them picking words in English just to be insulting. I think all the datacenters have a % of players that don't speak English. So there's no guarantee you will have an easy time all the time in a datacenter. If you do switch to JP datacenter and you're not in that time zone, you might find even less people speaking English. There's also going to be a different peak playing time of the day. Like I know there's people from all different time zones in Louisoux, and JP datacenters have I think Aussies, kiwis, and all the Asian countries connected to there. But people primarily speak JP other than like Tonberry server?

[JackHatchet]

I was under the impression that the language choice was just a cosmetic thing.

That if you picked E or J, or whatever. It was just a social cue to let your other players know that you don't speak their language. You know, so if I try talking to some smuck, and find out that they're only J. Oh, they're not English, alright. I figured the letters are just there to communicate information. And that it had zero influence over the actual mechanics of the party finder.

[MrKusakabe]

French is not the only language where FDP stands for an insult. If I'm not mistaken Portuguese means the exact same with the same first letters.

I doubt Portuguese players tick "F" in the profile and continue with French.

Also, the first paragraph is pretty straight forward and self-explaining. See, I can't understand your last paragraph, as it as much of an anecdote as my first paragraph. Feel free to disagree, but you can't change my experiences and those of my fellows who says the very same. That is still not a "bash the French" thread, and it never was. I even added an example that even the players known for refusing to speak English can do in rare occassions.

But then I am not here to hold back my 12 years of online game experience just to avoid some "Whataboutism" from people like you with your between-the-lines sort of snark.

Also: I feel very good on Zodiark :-)

[Agaziel]

I guess this a good consequence of multiculturalism of Europe, in which some countries, English is not even mandatory to learn and language pride is a real thing. It is harmless, especially when countries such a France and German have the entire game translated into their language making it English not necessary at all.

If communication is impossible, best to leave the duty and take the hit to try again and no need to get stressed over it. Many years ago I did a Stone Vigil, while it was still new, with 3 Japanese players and we finished it without a single drop of English being spoken without any issue

Keep in mind that English is not the most spoken language in the world and its status as the de facto international communication language is a bit thin.

Have been teaming with players from all servers and both EU DC since 2013 and that never happened to me so in advance sorry you had to run into such situation.

There are also NA players among others on EU DCs.

Since all servers have 62k active characters/players you will most likely find many players from different cultures/backgrounds, Europe is a very heterogeneous continent in terms of culture.

As previously mentioned I have been really happy in Ragnarok since it did open never had that need to exchange DC and will continue, in fact feel so comfortable that will start streaming in 28th June with voice, so by my stream you will see that persons aren't that bad in their majority.

Curiously when I played WoW found a few reactions as you describe from USA players community irc was in Arcadia server? many years ago.

Yes, it was Arcadia were we played.

I've been playing on Ragnarok since it opened in 2013, before you joined me, my love, and have had zero language issues over all these years. Even when people speak German, French, Spanish, Italian or any other European language in party chat. Worse case scenario, I'll copy paste it into google translate.

[BothFawn]

Adding to the roulette discussion, it's basically required that you tick all languages for getting into duties as an English speaker on the JP servers. Apparently leveling roulette ignores settings, but everything else follows them - so as soon as players hit level 50 and have to queue for eight-man content and dungeons from the 50/60 roulette, queue times become massively longer for someone who only has English selected - as it is by default.

Judging by your comment and the previous ones regarding language settings, it doem seem that it has no impact whatsoever then. Interesting discussion and thank you for clarifying.

Also, if you do pop the way of Zodiark, look me up! I'm an anti-social anxious person it's true (think I've got about three or four accusations of thin-skinnedness from another thread just today! I know how to achieve, it's true) , but people like you will always have shelter under my roof.

Thank you very much for your kind words. There was MrKusakabe speaking nicely of Zodiark too, although Schan remarked having a bad experience there. I will keep those words in mind if it comes to worst.

I'm a USA player on a NA server, so I don't think I fully understand how things work on the EU side. I find it strange that you think a French player should speak English. If I was dealing with French players, my expectation would be that they will speak French and if I encountered them a lot, I would try to learn some French so I could talk to them. I would also try to make extensive use of the auto-translate feature.

I've met a few French players on my server and they all speak English, but I think they're probably an exception to the rule. I doubt a French player would choose to play on an NA server if they couldn't or didn't want to speak English, since most of the NA players are native English speakers.

If you asked this question a bit earlier I would answer that those people I was with in the duty are obliged to communicate in English and therefore cooperate at least in the tiniest amount, because they had "E" checked in the Duty Finder.

But now after a discussion about this having no impact at all, I think my only solution would be just changing my data centre, I am afraid. Assuming it would even help me in any way.

EDIT: Are we all talking about the same language settings? There are different settings in Duty Finder and Search Info.

[Tint]

I was under the impression that the language choice was just a cosmetic thing.

That if you picked E or J, or whatever. It was just a social cue to let your other players know that you don't speak their language. You know, so if I try talking to some smuck, and find out that they're only J. Oh, they're not English, alright. I figured the letters are just there to communicate information. And that it had zero influence over the actual mechanics of the party finder.

That exists as well.

You can activate and deactivate the languages in your ingame profile, wich is just cosmetic and informs the other players wich languages you can speak.

And then you can activate and deactivate the langugaes in the duty finder settings, wich will affect you queue.

[Clover_Blake]

I play alts in Chaos. Most people I find speak English, but sometimes I've found people speaking other languages too. I personally never had a problem with that, and never demanded for them to have their conversation in English instead. Perhaps it's because English is not my language either, and I understand and accept that the EU server is played by people who speak many different languages.

tl;dr: I don't think that not understanding everyone's private conversations is a big deal in dungeons and trials.


EDIT: (I must clarify that I always avoid speaking my own language in parties or any public chat. I just don't mind it when others do that, so long as it's not the everyday norm).

[Schan]

Thank you very much for your kind words. There was MrKusakabe speaking nicely of Zodiark too, although Schan remarked having a bad experience there. I will keep those words in mind if it comes to worst.

Just as a heads up since im getting lazy and I don't want to give misleading information, all servers have nice and bad people. I may have had bad experiences with people from Zodiark (and i was originally from there too), but the one person who thanked me for sticking with them and teaching titan EX as a mentor was also from Zodiark. I do wonder how many bad mentor experiences that person had had to thank me in such a kind way after we finally beat it.

Basically you need to find the server and people that fit you but you shouldn't allow a couple of bad experiences shape things in such a negative way. Also they weren't from your server so you're very unlikely to meet them again.