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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Well to be fair enmity is generated by attacking, healing, or special tank skills. It's not the job of healers to generate enmity, but it is for tanks. Therefore, they benefit from both attacking and their special skills in order to do their job.

    Though I wouldn't "riot" if tanks had less DPS, because I often take aggro from the MT when I'm OT even though they're in tank stance and I'm not.
    Imagine just have 1 dps button, 1 dot button, provoke, tank stance and the rest of your skills defensive CD, thats the equivalent of what the devs are doing to the healers, we're not "rioting" because we want more dps, we are "rioting" because we want to have fun when we dps and a dumb 1 skill rotation doesn't deliver that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
    Imagine just have 1 dps button, 1 dot button, provoke, tank stance and the rest of your skills defensive CD, thats what the equivalent of what the devs are doing to the healers, we're not "rioting" because we want more dps, we are "rioting" because we want to have fun when we dps and a dumb 1 skill rotation doesn't deliver that at all.
    Pretty much this, but with an AoE mixed in.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
    Imagine just have 1 dps button, 1 dot button, provoke, tank stance and the rest of your skills defensive CD, thats what the equivalent of what the devs are doing to the healers, we're not "rioting" because we want more dps, we are "rioting" because we want to have fun when we dps and a dumb 1 skill rotation doesn't deliver that at all.
    Funny that people are raving now that SCH is getting this when AST has had it literally the entire time. 1 DPS button, 1 DoT button, and one AoE. Were you crying at the beginning of HW because of that too, or only now because it affects your main job?

    Also you're literally not arguing against anything I said. I said tanks benefit from the aggro generated from DPS, hence why it makes sense for them to still have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Also you're literally not arguing against anything I said. I said tanks benefit from the aggro generated from DPS, hence why it makes sense for them to still have it.
    And I pointed out that they could just as easily change how enmity works, your point?

    As to the first part, most of the healer DPS conversations are saying that healers should have more engaging DPS options. I was not aware AST would not fall under that.
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    healer

    if i need to use a healer i will pick one that still works and wait for the others to get fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by george357 View Post
    if i need to use a healer i will pick one that still works and wait for the others to get fixed.
    So none of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by george357 View Post
    if i need to use a healer i will pick one that still works and wait for the others to get fixed.
    They all suffer from the same design problem. They are all 1 button jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by george357 View Post
    if i need to use a healer i will pick one that still works and wait for the others to get fixed.
    Warrior it is then! (heavy /s)
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by george357 View Post
    if i need to use a healer i will pick one that still works and wait for the others to get fixed.
    The entire role has problems that need fixing.
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    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Funny that people are raving now that SCH is getting this when AST has had it literally the entire time. 1 DPS button, 1 DoT button, and one AoE. Were you crying at the beginning of HW because of that too, or only now because it affects your main job?

    Also you're literally not arguing against anything I said. I said tanks benefit from the aggro generated from DPS, hence why it makes sense for them to still have it.
    Heyo, AST main here.
    I wouldn't wish my braindead DPS rotation on anyone, it's boring as hell and the only reason we weren't throwing fits back from HW was because the Card system we had to offset the boredom (which is now being gutted in terms of complexity). Leveling any healer 1-70 is going to be one of the most boring experiences this game has to offer now.

    Can't wait for that those thrilling instanced story battles 211111111111 21111111111 21111111111 Oh how thrilling. Can't even escape the tedium by playing another healer for those story missions now because we're all the same.
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    Last edited by Shalan; 06-03-2019 at 11:57 PM.

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