SCH in 5.0 via MrHappy's Healer Video

[Morzy]

https://youtu.be/q9udCnUboGE

I usually didn't watch MrHappy, but I couldn't deny some 5.0 info regarding one of my fav jobs, SCH.

What I really like about SCH is that it is a shielding healer and has a pet to partially heal for you. This gives the player a lot of possible downtime when investing in shields to GIVE them time and a pet to extend their downtime.

In 5.0, however, we seem to be losing...
Bane
Miasma 2
Energy drain
Shadow Flare

These might not seem like a big deal to you, but Bane is probably the most important loss. The typical pull includes shielding the tank, dotting the first ad, and using bane when the tank groups them together. That simple and perfect strategy is now gone.

Miasma 2 and Energy drain are a big deal, because it's simply a Aether stack and MP dump all in one. Now if we keep the trait that reduces Aetherflow cooldown if we use a stack, this will just make it more likely that we use Aetherflow while still having stacks, thus wasting utility..

I know what a lot of people might say:
"Just don't play the job."
This might seem like a reasonable response like:
"Vote with your wallet." But they are not the same.

I'm here to give feedback, and I'd appreciate less useful responses. This is a place for feedback, so i don't understand why some complain about complaining. ???

Anyway. I really love Monk and SCH. They keep me busy and it's a lot of fun. hopefully they'll both give similar experiences in 5.0 and beyond.

edit: I also understand that "5.0 will be more demanding for healing", but what about everything else? There's still 2.0, 3.0, and 4.0 content.. Did we really need options taken away for just one out of five sections of the game?.. Maybe? Idk.

[Darkpaw]

First I’ll give credit for the civil and well written feedback. I can’t deny that the changes detailed in the old development build for scholar was alarming but i dont think it would hurt to give one or two of it’s dps skills back. Bane, shadow flare, something... anything? Like really Dev team just one thing.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Watching how SCH plays in that dungeon in the video was cringe worthy. It looks awful. And why is Art of War not only higher than the others MP wise, but also it's animation is terrible too.

I've seen a lot of mention of people wanting Bane back, but with Miasma and Bio gone, Bane is worthless.

[Morzy]

First I’ll give credit for the civil and well written feedback. I can’t deny that the changes detailed in the old development build for scholar was alarming but i dont think it would hurt to give one or two of it’s dps skills back. Bane, shadow flare, something... anything? Like really Dev team just one thing.

I think this is a partial solution to SCH in general, and by that I mean its connection to a DPS job, SMN. SCH has always been different with its roots in a DPS class, and thus really shown in the laater half of 2.x when it was simply a DPS machine along with precise single target heals.

Don't get me wrong, we can still throw dots like AST can (as far as I know), but I personally do not want to sit there and dot each single enemy.. That simply doesn't sound fun to me. I may be putting too much stock into these "current decisions", and we will see if that is the case.

Watching how SCH plays in that dungeon in the video was cringe worthy. It looks awful. And why is Art of War not only higher than the others MP wise, but also it's animation is terrible too.

I've seen a lot of mention of people wanting Bane back, but with Miasma and Bio gone, Bane is worthless.

Ah yes I did consider if bio and Bio2 were even still there, but at 12:29 in the video I linked it DOES in fact still show bio and Bio2 there. Maybe this was unintended, but I'm drawing my judgment from the gameplay that was available to people like MrHappy.

Art of War is kind of interesting. It cost more mana than Holy yet we don't keep Energy Drain to combat that difference. What gives? I can only see this as a huge nerf.

[IttyBitty]

Is there any particular thing that tells you that 5.0 will be more demanding for healing? I may have missed something where this was said by the devs (unless you are referring to the "pure healer" slide, which...has a different meaning on the dev's side, in that it's usually contrasted with mitigative healing, rather than meaning "focusing on nothing but healing"). Classes getting more healing options doesn't really mean the healing burden will increase. As we saw when WHM received all of its new oGCD healing in HW, content didn't really get much harder to heal. In fact, it made the healing burden even easier because now you didn't have to waste GCDs to heal someone. Stormblood also didn't really change much in healing burden. The footage I've seen has also shown this to be the case.

[Deceptus]

Here's my issue: For two expansions now (4 years + whatever ShB lasts) Healers have been told "We need to hold off on healers (and tanks) so we can balance them" and this is the result. Homogenized jobs. Dumbed down jobs.

That's not fun gameplay. If I wanted a single DoT and a filler spell, I would have played AST. No AST I've talked to would wish their DPS rotation on anyone because it's bloody boring.

[fantasticm]

Is there any particular thing that tells you that 5.0 will be more demanding for healing?

IIRC this was outright stated by SE, though I can't remember where. They said the same thing before HW and SB released as well. I think they're just going through the motions at this point, lol.

[RyuDragnier]

IIRC this was outright stated by SE, though I can't remember where. They said the same thing before HW and SB released as well. I think they're just going through the motions at this point, lol.

Well to give them credit, healing WAS more demanding in 3.0, until we outgeared things. Though there were a few fights that did demand quite a bit of healing even after we did...Final Steps of Faith being one. I'm perfectly fine with that being the level of healing they want if they're going for that.

[Knoahl]

Honestly any changes for me would have been fine so long as the jobs stayed true to their namesake and lore, at this rate they might as well make cure, medica, the dots, single target dps spell all role actions, they barely function differently now.

If they wanted to prune a spell no one wants to see or rework it, it should have been physick, I've never needed that spell in the whole like gosh know how many years I've played the job barely, at least while the fairy still had potency and the fact we have so many heal bloated oGCD's.

[AureliaF]

And why is Art of War not only higher than the others MP wise, but also it's animation is terrible too.

Glad I'm not the only one who felt that way about the animation. Why, as a Scholar, am I up in melee range of the mobs punching the ground? Who thought that made any sense for the flavor of the class? Lol